University turns disabled toilets into all-gender toilets

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"The University has made existing single cubicle disabled toilets gender neutral, which means there will be no situation in which two people of any gender identity will be in the same room, ensuring they can feel comfortable using the space. This differs from gender-neutral toilets at some other universities in the UK, where entire bathrooms have been designated gender neutral. This is a solution proposed by the students themselves, discussed and agreed at the Union’s Student Council."

Interesting that this university has recognised the obvious issues with mixed sex toilets but it does seem to be entirely at the expense of disabled users.

Incidentally, I guest lecture at this Uni and they moved into a brand new, purpose built campus last month. So appropriation of the disabled toilets seems to be waht they did with their own building as a short term measure before moving.

In the new campus there are some traditional Female and Male toilets with cubicles and then some gender inclusive toilets which are a row of about 6 individual rooms with sinks and doors that meet the floor off a main corridor.

So they appear to have built the campus in mind with continuing to separate the sexes whilst also providing a gender neutral space.

"AspieAndProud Tue 23-Oct-18 20:42:05
Also, as long as male and female toilets exist, will trans women ever be satisfied with a third or fourth space? It’s about validation more than urination."

That's an interesting proposition, and why I think the situation at Northampton is so worth observing.

A non-binary transwoman might though use whichever of the male, female, mixed sex (gender neutral) toilets as they wished?

Yup I am worried by the appropriation of disabled toilets - I do think they should make the men's gender neutral, rather than takeover another arena

But fabulous that this uni in its new build created a solution WIHT the students that genuinely took account of what worked for the majority, while disadvantaging no one ie the four spaces

Wheelchair user here.

Disabled toilets are rarely male/female - most of the time they are seperate entities and open to all.

It’s extremely frustrating when there is only a single toilet in a building that I can physically access to find myself waiting and waiting for people who physically could use another toilet. But for the most part it’s the appropriation of WC toilets as baby change spaces that has a bigger impact than the move to have non-binary or Trans identified people using it.

I've taken DD's trans best mate out, the poor thing wouldn't use either sexed toilet. Men or women's. Really hung up about it.
Honestly it was worrying. I think that extra unisex toilets are the way forward.
Good compromise wherever possible.

I've taken DD's trans best mate out, the poor thing wouldn't use either sexed toilet. Men or women's. Really hung up about it.

There are many vulnerable people who need a great deal of support, especially children and young people.

A significant amount of damage has been done to gender questioning children by those who claim to advocate for them.

Any toilets/spaces are free game - except the men’s obvs.

Single sex toilets already ARE gender neutral. Anyone can express their gender however they want to, in single sex toilets appropriate to their sex.... and everywhere else.

Men don’t get to use the Women’s toilets just because they want to push women into validating and accepting them as also being women. A lot of women don’t want them in there, even if some women- keen to accommodate the wishes of men- don’t care about it. Keep your penis out of the Ladies’!

Gosh, not content with throwing women under the bus, let's ram people with disabilities down there as well!

Stats -

In 2014 the Govt published a general demographic report which stated that there were over 11m people in the UK with limiting illnesses, impairment or disabilities (source: Office for Disability Issues).

The Equalities and Human Rights Commission published a report in 2009 which estimated that the number of transgender individuals in the UK was between 300,000 - 500,000.

Taking into account the above numbers, does it seem fair to appropriate disabled toilets and use them instead as 'gender neutral' spaces? But hey, it's just disabled people pissing themselves because they have nowhere to go, so who cares?

Recent article by Trevor Phillips chairman of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission 2006-12

'Trans extremists are putting equality at risk

Allowing people to declare their own gender would make a mockery of Britain’s decades-long struggle for fairness'

(extract)
So it is with politicians and identity politics. For four decades western leaders were so determined to prove their anti-racist credentials that they ignored the signs of growing public unease about our multi-ethnic societies. The outcome: Trump, Brexit and the steady advance of truly racist and anti-immigrant movements.

The disaster of the public consultation process on gender recognition has revealed a government so terrified of being labelled transphobic that it is ready to destroy half a century of painstakingly assembled anti-discrimination legislation to the detriment of every woman, person of colour and disabled individual in Britain." (continues)

thread with sharetoken:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3401790-trevor-phillips-in-the-times