University turns disabled toilets into all-gender toilets

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"The University has made existing single cubicle disabled toilets gender neutral, which means there will be no situation in which two people of any gender identity will be in the same room, ensuring they can feel comfortable using the space. This differs from gender-neutral toilets at some other universities in the UK, where entire bathrooms have been designated gender neutral. This is a solution proposed by the students themselves, discussed and agreed at the Union’s Student Council."

Interesting that this university has recognised the obvious issues with mixed sex toilets but it does seem to be entirely at the expense of disabled users.

Incidentally, I guest lecture at this Uni and they moved into a brand new, purpose built campus last month. So appropriation of the disabled toilets seems to be waht they did with their own building as a short term measure before moving.

In the new campus there are some traditional Female and Male toilets with cubicles and then some gender inclusive toilets which are a row of about 6 individual rooms with sinks and doors that meet the floor off a main corridor.

So they appear to have built the campus in mind with continuing to separate the sexes whilst also providing a gender neutral space.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost Tue 23-Oct-18 19:51:21
It's doesn't excluding disable people, there are disabled toilets too.

To clarify, the fourth space toilets are not accessible toilets and so are inaccesible to many people with disabilities (which shouldn't be an issue since the disabled toilets are single person units only.)

The bigger issue is that if providing gender zero toilets is norm, most business are not going to build a third space and will just stick sign up on accesable.

It’s not going to make one blind bit of difference to females. Since the woke are always saying TRAW, it will just mean that the men can use the male toilets, unisex toilets, disabled toilets AND Female toilets. The trans identifying men are so hard done by, aren’t they! 🙄

Sorry, TWAW

that doesn't take away from the fact that the university turned disabled toilets into all gender toilets. Because that's what they did.

And now they've corrected it.

So men can pee on every lamppost then? Yup that sounds about right.

Captain, you seem determined to have an argument with me, is there a reason for that?

Saw this at Tate Britain too.

Disabled loo was also marked “all gender”.

Gawd I'm due to go to an exhibition there soon. What wankery is this?

Captain, you seem determined to have an argument with me, is there a reason for that?
I'm not having an argument I pointed out your first post was misleading and is not reflective of the current situation.

I think disabled toilets becoming a third space will just lead to disabled people having to wait even longer and being pushed further down the list of priorities

They already have to contend with the general public who think they can just use if nobody is around as no disabled person in history has ever found themselves desperate to use the loo 🙄

Now they'll have to contend with the ENTITLED brigade who won't understand why they are annoying yet more people over toilets

Bit like mums with buggies on bus Vs disabled wheelchair user

Fair enough, captain.

In August 2018 this was the situation. As of September 2018 when the campus migrated it isn't.

The situation is topical in both the old campus and the new, because it's interesting to see how a University has accommodated trans requests both within an existing infrastructure and within a purpose built one.

The new Northampton campus was a massively ambitious project and very unusual so I thought worth discussion.

But I'm sorry you didn't like my title.

Well this genderless toilet isn't taking anything away from anyone else, it's creating a new space and not taking anyone elses.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost Tue 23-Oct-18 20:16:34
Well this genderless toilet isn't taking anything away from anyone else, it's creating a new space and not taking anyone elses.

Well spotted

I appreciate everyone being so concerned with disabled people. At this point in time I do not need a wheelchair. Unfortunately I keep busting vertebrae (progressive bone disease), so a wheel chair is probably (in theory) is in my future. In practice however, I'd just kill myself due to daily tasks being so difficult. I'm already frustrated with how things are now.

Anyway, with all that as a comparison, the ptsd is by far a larger burden. I don't really care AT ALL what has to happen, in order to keep dicks out of my shower cubicle.

Just my opinion, other disabled women are allowed their own opinion.

Still fail to understand what gender has to do with the toilet you use. Toilets are set up for physical, biological needs (urinals, sanitary bins etc) not changeable social constructs like clothing. I can't see why we need gender neutral toilets at all.

Having a male toilet, a Female toilet, a gender neutral one AND a disabled/accessible? Is that what the new building has?

That seems like a fair solution IF the single sex toilets are in fact that. Simply appropriating the disabled loos is not.

There’s little enough accessible toilet space as there is. This group do good work - www.changing-places.org/the_campaign/what_are_changing_places_toilets_.aspx

They campaign for fully accessible toilet /changing spaces in addition to the standard disabled toilets.

and yes I say that the uni really did add a fourth space. My concern is for other businesses and places open to the public who lack the funding. Those places will have to make a choice. And I come down very firmly on, men are dangerous and as a very vulnerable woman, I don't want them anywhere near me.

Predators LOVE prey, and unfortunately for other reasons I'm not going to go into, I apparently look like very tasty prey. Yes I understand that the vast majority of men are not predators. But enough are, and these individuals do not allow me the freedom to forget it.

I can't see why we need gender neutral toilets at all

For families, people with opposite sex caters etc, they are good. But only if they’re single occupant type spaces, NOT the open normal loos made unisex.

Aren’t disable toilets generally for single occupant and therefore gender neutral anyway?

I think disabled toilets becoming a third space will just lead to disabled people having to wait even longer and being pushed further down the list of priorities

Yes. Nothing new though. Those with disability fought for spaces on public transport which is niw used by pushchairs and we have to fight for it all over again.

This is just yet abother instance of those with disability being ignored.

" I come down very firmly on, men are dangerous and as a very vulnerable woman, I don't want them anywhere near me. "

I wonder if this is what also drives MtF transgender people away from male toilets.

Also, as long as male and female toilets exist, will trans women ever be satisfied with a third or fourth space? It’s about validation more than urination.

It's kind of weird that you're all so concerned about random disabled women, when there is one right in this thread who is telling you what my priorities are. (I am aware that other disabled women will have different priorities.)

But still. I've posted here enough with this name, that it's safe to assume that I really am a disabled woman, and not some new name trans joker who appears just for the purpose of complaining about wait times.

yes I wonder the same thing; I expect transwomen will still claim it's discrimination/'othering' by excluding them and making them use a separate facility than other women. And then you'll just have extra loos for the men, who won't care about that.