Late transitioning female to male?

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Sorry if this has been done before - I did do a search but nothing came up.

Having filled in the consultation yesterday (took all day ffs) got me thinking about the late transitioning after the spousal consent question. It struck me that we hear about male to female transitioning in middle age, but I am not aware of any female to male in this age group.

Are there any? And if not, why not? Or is the opting out of womanhood something that tends to happen younger (as evidenced by the massive increase in girls wanting to transition).

Turph that’s very interesting. I won’t comment on the androphilia as I don’t understand it but from your post the difference is that you seem to be aware of what you are experiencing. AGP narcissism means we have to agree they actually are women. And also that being a woman is humiliating and therefore a turn on. You are not speaking that language at all.

I haven't read all the thread yet, but I do know one. A late transitioning ftm after kids and marriage. Without being too outing - they are still married to their husband, but their marriage certainly qualifies in this brave new world of non-traditional monogamy iykwim.

There are a few other cross overs with what others have mentioned (trauma), but this person said that the dysphoria got worse with age, not better.

They remind me very much of the way Stephen Whittle speaks (not them, wrong continent!) Very clever person.

How many of those girls who would have wanted to trans/had body or gender or identity dysphoria or been gnc and/or lesbian and would have been pushed to trans had this trend been around when we were young have ended up on these boards though? Iykwim? How many gnc girls who struggle with their bodies developing and sex role stereotypes pushed on them grow up to have children and see their bodies in a different light? or become mothers of girls and see the girls must like dolls and pink shit for what it is?

There are different reasons for many girls transing to boys, so for later transing group the reasons many girls have may have resolved in other, as a lot of the rejection of sex role stereotypes and discomfort with our developing bodies is kind of a basic part of womanhood.

VMisaMarshmallow that's what got me into this in the first place - sheer self-interest as I knew I'd have been transed as a kid. Obviously now I have learned how far reaching the implications can be.

rightreckoner I'm just thinking out loud really, I'd not considered it to be autoandrophilia before but I guess that's what it is; I was just exploring the similarities. I don't want to go on about myself, I guess lurkers might find it useful at a push. I just can't imagine wanting a damaged body instead of the fully functioning one I'm lucky enough to have. Which in itself doesn't explain the AGP phenomenon, as they don't generally alter theirs either. Perhaps it's closer to HSTS? Is HSTS driven by homosexual feminine men unable to come to terms with being a feminine gay man? Is my sexuality based on gender roles after all? Butch/femme was very frowned upon for being heteronormative so perhaps it's the role I wanted not the physiology? Hard to say really, it's hard to unpack one's sexuality and gender identity when you're happy with yourself and your life, or it is for me anyway.

I think you may see a lot more if self id comes through. I feel my mannishness increasing day by day - my moustache and beard are coming along really nicely. Just waiting for tipping point.

I presume women still need the approval of two doctors to be able to terminate a pregnancy? But seeing two doctors is too much as part of an irreversible, life long, process?

There's a middle aged trans man who is a stonewall role model. Works in the NHS I think

This is really helpful

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2016/08/anorexia-breast-binding-and-legitimisation-body-hatred?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Pamspeople
That was really upsetting. Thanks for sharing it though.

Sorry, didn't mean to upset or offend.

I wonder how many mothers would be selfish enough to do this to a daughter.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/18/gender-dysmorphia-daughter-dad-woman

Natasha Ozimek was 16, and two days away from sitting her physics AS-level, when her father John told her he was planning to change sex; a process known as transitioning. "It was awful when I found out. My throat was doing a wobbly and then I just burst into tears. Dad was trying to hug me and I was having none of it. I think I blanked out in shock a little bit, and spent that night in the conservatory in my pyjamas until four in the morning, just crying," recalls Natasha, now 18. "It's the last thing you expect your dad to do – the one male figure in your life."

... As for the exams, Tash could not concentrate and flunked them. She left school for college, to do an art and design course, which she likes much better than the academic subjects she had pursued mainly to please her Oxford-educated father, an IT consultant and journalist. "I'm happy that it's happened because I've grown up a lot emotionally," she says. "If I had got all my grades and this hadn't happened, I would probably be at uni doing something I didn't want to do."

I wonder what she makes of her parent's campaign against attempts to curb extreme porn.

Although that article does say:

I did have a serious concern about telling Tash, and I probably did derail her first AS-level because it was a large chunk of trauma for her. But there was never going to be a right time

You know, two days before an important exam is as good a time as any. FFS.

What an amazing piece by Glosswitch. Too thoughtful for this current shitshow but amazing nonetheless.

Mose, what do the Royal Colleges have to say about this, or the BMA, or the BPS (if you know)? I'm flabbergasted that this affirmation approach has taken such a hold with so little publicity or debate. I would have hoped that the medical profession and other health care professional bodies might have attempted to discuss this more and wait for really good research. But then I look at the state of our universities and the cowardice over free speech and academic freedom there and I can't see why it should be any better in the professions.

BPS unquestioningly tweeted some crap research about what cisgender school children thought about transgender peers. mobile.twitter.com/ResearchDigest/status/1037979866723799040

Not to mention that dreadful counselling guide they had to withdraw.

That was bacp. They're all at it! To be fair to the BPS I've not seen much in their members' communications I don't think.

Oh sorry, so it was. Mea culpa.