Philip Davies MP speaks up on protecting women prisoners

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This is really cheering, thank you to this MP.

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free. Never worked out how to be down wid da kidz either.

It's a shame that people like Davies appear to be on the gender critical side. They have different motives, of course, but it doesn't look good. My OH, without knowing anything about the debate (I've tried to tell him but he doesn't listen) has concluded that 'whenever it's discussed in the media, almost without exception, lefties are pro-trans and right wingers are anti-trans. It's hard to look past that if you don't have a dog in the race.'

Then your OH will just love Ellie O'Hagan's take in the Graun which boils down to 'Don't look at the issues, just at who's lined up on either side'.

That approach worked well in the referendum, didn't it?

NotTerfNorCis

Maybe your lefty husband should try being a bit more open minded. I don't particularly share many of the views of gc rad fems. I do however get thoroughly fed up of the "left is good , right is bad " mantra- particularly when the Momentum led left is verging on totalitarianism.

Your husband might try reading what people Brendan O'Nell or Clare Fox have to say or trans women on the left like Miranda Yardley or Kristina Harrison or trans women on the right like Rose of Dawn or even Blaire White.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O%27Neill_%28journalist%29?wprov=sfla1

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claire_Fox?wprov=sfla1

It's hard to look past that if you don't have a dog in the race.'

At the risk of potentially sounding offensive- he does have one- he has his wife whom I would hope he loves and whose opinions he would at least consider and acknowledge even if he doesn't agree with.

It’s sadly true that a lot of supportive opinion has been from the likes of Rod Liddle, Julia H-B, Richard Littlejohn & Andrew Gilligan. The print media support has mainly been from the Times, the Spectator & the Daily Mail. None of these would normally be welcome allies!

Why would The Times not be a welcome ally? The Times' history and its political affiliation is interesting reading. Aside from it being one of the most famous and credible newspapers in the world.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times?wprov=sfla1

Even a stopped clock is right once a day.

This.

Times is certainly somewhat right-wing (not as bad as Telegraph of course) & is Murdoch-owned. I have an online sub, because there is stuff in it I want to read (like Janice Turner & Hugo Rifkind) but I resent giving Murdoch money.

PD is my MP. He was re-elected with an increased majority last time out, which is shocking given his beliefs. I have met him and I have to say that I was very very surprised to discover that he has a female partner. He's an utterly ghastly man and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He's not coming at this from any standpoint of caring about women's rights, he's coming at it from homophobia and hatred of "other".

I like The Telegraph too. Not all of it but the Telegraph sometimes has articles I agree with. It was brilliant during the Scottish separatist campaign.

You are still doing the left wing good/ right wing bad thing. It's seems to me particularly closed- minded given the history of The Times.

I didn't look at the Mail online until I joined MN. What I have noticed following links on here is the Mail reports on crimes against women and children which other papers like the Guardian don't.

This is a cross party issue. Some of us are leftists, some are ex-leftists, some are on the right, some aren't political normally but needed to get involved with this.
I don't think I'd like to be stuck in a lift with this fella but he's right about rushing rubbish laws through (we'd have no GRA if it was debated at length) and he's right about protecting women prisoners.
Let's leave party politics (and Brexit!) out of this and focus on common biology and common interest. If we retain the right to be women then we can go back to the political bunfight afterwards!

You are still doing the left wing good/ right wing bad thing. It's seems to me particularly closed- minded given the history of The Times.
Agreed

I didn't look at the Mail online until I joined MN. What I have noticed following links on here is the Mail reports on crimes against women and children which other papers like the Guardian don't.
The Mail reports on a lot of incidents where the perpetrators are also a protected group. The Cologne NYE attacks, for example, Google "Daily Mail Cologne Attacks" and "Guardian Cologne Attacks" and just look at the difference in reporting from the headlines. The Guardian concentrates in Germany remaining open to migrant men, and ensures the reader knows about the collapsed trials, and the "18 men" responsible. The Daily Mail focusses on events - screaming women unable to be reached by police, raped women having abortions, and subsequent carnivals handing out leaflets explaining that rape is not allowed...
Now is the Mail scaremongering or is the Guardian playing down a shocking event? Who's focussing on the victims, who's focussing on the perpetrators?
I was left: good, right: bad for a long time but nothing in life is that cut and dried. The Guardian is utter trash; there's a reason its circulation is dropping.

Ironically people are not binary minded, life isn't a movie or cartoon with bad guys and good guys.

I still don’t like giving money to Murdoch.

I do think feminism is held to much higher standard than men's and trans right organisations.

True, but excluding the likes of Philip Davies is not really a high standard. He is overtly anti women's rights, anti racial equality and homophobic. I think Tommy Robinson would make a more positive contribution than him.

David Davies is very right wing but his defense of free speech has been invaluable, but several of the key people pushing self ID are Tories. Opposing self ID should not be a left/right issue, but there are some extremists who's 'help' should be ignored.

This man is literally an MRA. He's really unpleasant - the infamous fiilbusterer. He has filibustered legislation to protect women, and stopped it going through in the past. He also filibustered the bill for free hospital parking, iirc. He tried to filibuster a law to protect women from dv a few year ago (but failed) - just because it had the word "woman" in the title - which he claimed was sexist.

The world has gone truly mad when he sticks up for women.

He's not "sticking up for women" though, he's sticking up for conservative men's right to keep their private (chattel) property secure.

When liberal men vote for abortion to be legal, they're not "sticking up for women" either; They're sticking up for liberal men's right to have women be public property.

Radical feminists don't agree with either position; we want to destroy patriarchy from the ground up. Liberal feminists make a bargain with liberal men -- in exchange for being public property, libfems pretend to like it. Same deal with conservative women.

I find all that gaslighting to be the first step on the road to insanity, so I refuse to go along. What difference does if make if you're a brood mare for one or a thousand? You're still meat for somebody else to consume either way.

He's also anti-animals. In league with the devil indeed...I didn't realise he was married to McVile...a match made in hell.

He's not "sticking up for women" though, he's sticking up for conservative men's right to keep their private (chattel) property secure

When liberal men vote for abortion to be legal, they're not "sticking up for women" either; They're sticking up for liberal men's right to have women be public property

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but personally if you wanted to alienate any one from taking feminism seriously those statements are a briliant starting place.

The bottom line for me is that I want my daughter to be and feel safe in sex segregated spaces. I don't want it to be socially acceptable for men to be there with her.

My MP isnt even acknowledging my letters, let alone speaking up. I'd prefer it if MPs speak out because they can see the safeguarding problems, but they're not. So I'll settle for them speaking up because they see it as a free speech issue or because they like to oppose the government.

I don't think we'll get anywhere waiting for the right MP's with the right motivation to speak up. We've got to face up to the fact that the safeguarding of women and girls is not important to MPs.

I'm a bit late to this thread cos I forgot my login details...but have a few things to add. I used to live in this area, and PD is a massive, horrible misogynistic, homophobic anti-environmentalist and having him speak out is definitely not a bonus, at least not locally - he is widely hated for being a bigot by every stripe of feminist and thoughtful people in general.

Apart from the obvious fact that it keeps returning this hateful tory Shipley is in fact a very left-wing town, and local feminists are divided on the trans issue (there have been some big social media spats).

It is definitely a tra hotbed though. Jess Bradley is a bradford uni alumnus and has a lot of personal friends there. There are a lot of anarchists and for such a long time the tra line has been the only acceptable right-think, but there are also a lot of very intelligent no-nonsense left wing people and this is causing all sorts of ructions there.