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Philip Davies MP speaks up on protecting women prisoners

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Redkeyboard · 19/10/2018 00:57

This is really cheering, thank you to this MP.

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Avegemitesandwich · 19/10/2018 08:57

My point was - we should be fucking worried that when even mens-rightsy Philip can see the risks for women, the risks for women are very, very real.

I'm not sure that is where he is coming from, I think he is coming from a place of attention seeking and homophobia. His voting record and filibustering on DV shows that he doesn't give a fuck about the risks to women on anything.

This is who we are left with to protect us. Fucking. Great.

LizzieSiddal · 19/10/2018 09:03

This is the guy who blocked the upskirting bill isn't it?
No, I’m sure he was Christopher someone or other and he’s much older than the man here.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/10/2018 09:14

Lots of men are disgusted and the idea of safeguarding around children being eroded, maybe that's also where he crossed the line too.

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Redkeyboard · 19/10/2018 09:16

Sounds about right:

My point was - we should be fucking worried that when even mens-rightsy Philip can see the risks for women, the risks for women are very, very real.

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mellongoose · 19/10/2018 09:20

If this MP had not been a conservative I suspect the comments here would be very different! Has he said the right thing or hasn't he?

Avegemitesandwich · 19/10/2018 09:22

No, I’m sure he was Christopher someone or other and he’s much older than the man here.

Ah yes, Christopher Chope. I just googled though and Philip Davies joined in with filibustering to get the bill blocked, it was just that Chope was the one who spoke out about it I think.

FermatsTheorem · 19/10/2018 09:24

Having read more about Chope, I think his motives are slightly different from P Davies. P Davies is a misogynist, pure and simple. Chope has a track record of filibustering early day motions on a variety of topics because he thinks they are bad for democracy (remember there was a risk at one point of reforms to the GRA being sneaked in via a private member's bill of this sort, which would have allowed for the whole thing to be done by stealth without proper parliamentary scrutiny). Chope has said that he would support a bill against upskirting if it was put before the house in what he considers to be a procedurally proper way.

LangCleg · 19/10/2018 09:26

Has he said the right thing or hasn't he?

Even a stopped clock is right once a day.

Avegemitesandwich · 19/10/2018 09:31

Yes, I read that about Chope before, he believes the process is wrong.

Although apparently him and Davies have not blocked certain bills done in this way, bills that they presumably believe are 'right'.

ToeToToe · 19/10/2018 09:40

Philip has also made the point about EDM being bad for democracy, and that's why he filibusters.

He goes in on Friday and filibusters all sorts of laws. He doesn't agree with introducing lots of new laws. It is a political stance. But he is very right wing, and very anti-women's & lgbt rights. Of course, that doesn't mean he's anti-women's safety, or completely insane Wink . One of the best comments on this - can't remember who made it - was along the lines of "what sort of lunacy is involved when we think it's a good idea to lock a rapist up in a women's prison?"

And yet we have the left wing trans allies, Stonewall, Liberty etc seeming to think this is the right thing to do - and arguing so on national TV.

They're the ones who have lost their minds - Philip (vile as he is) is simply doing his job. David TC Davies has a pretty bad voting record too - but he is also doing his job as an MP - allowing the voices of women to be heard.

ToeToToe · 19/10/2018 09:45

Although apparently him and Davies have not blocked certain bills done in this way, bills that they presumably believe are 'right'.

Yup - ain't that always the way in politics.

Floisme · 19/10/2018 09:53

I think this is more a comment on the state of the left than on any individual Conservative MP. I cannot name a single prominent left of centre MP prepared to speak up for women about this - they don't even want to be seen talking to women about it. It's so very, very shameful and (to quote Michelle Obama) it has shaken me to my very core.

Barracker · 19/10/2018 10:01

Bloody hell.
He's an MRA. I'd rather the people who profess to care about women had taken up the banner before odious men like him.

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 19/10/2018 10:13

I think this is more a comment on the state of the left than on any individual Conservative MP. I cannot name a single prominent left of centre MP prepared to speak up for women about this

Most, if not all MPs of any political party must see the danger of placing rapists in female prisons.

There will be some who think it's a suitable punishment for women prisoners, there are some who think it's the cost that's worth taking for the benefit of male transpeople and there will be some who value their political career over the safety of women.

Is there any other reason why would stay quiet?

Needmoresleep · 19/10/2018 10:34

This is not a left or right wing issue. It has reach across society. The more who speak up, the more visible those who won't become. If Philip Davies can see the obvious, why can't Jeremy Corbyn.

(Or is it something with having that "e" in Davies, that provides the extra bit of clarity.)

Freespeecher · 19/10/2018 11:37

If there were a vote on the MP perceived to be the most misogynistic in the Commons then Philip Davies would probably win.

At the same time, he's spoken out on this ahead of, say, Stella Creasy or his regular sparring partner, Jess Phillips. I know the centre and left parties have taken the Trans line but you'd have thought that at least one maverick from that side of the floor would have taken a stand. As it is, tumbleweed.

So here we are, Philip Davies, the voice for women. We're truly through the looking glass (and then some).

TwistedStitch · 19/10/2018 12:03

At this point I don't care who speaks up. If they have a voice in parliament and are prepared to speak up on this I'll take it. OJ slagging off women who are speaking to certain MPs- well so few will even listen so are women supposed to refuse support because they disagree with certain aspects of their voting record? Harrop mocking the 'choice' of Posie's poster above a sex shop, stating that she should have CHOSEN a more appropriate location. Well she did, dickwad, and you got it removed.

If people actively engage in attempts to silence women's voices they have no fucking place to complain when women with take whatever support and help they can get.

BigotedWoman · 19/10/2018 12:15

He is absolutely spelling it out. Surely anyone who is more pro-women's rights than Philip Davies (which is most people) should be thinking, hang on, why isn't anyone else saying this? Why am I not saying this?

theOtherPamAyres · 19/10/2018 12:33

Philip Davies is a member of the Women and Equalities Parliamentary Group. (Maria Miller's mob)

Like his fellow members, his job is to question, probe, challenge, investigate claims by those who appear in front of the Committee. I don't know how he performed during the enquiry into Transgender Equality. Perhaps he was the one going 'WTAF?'

The other thing about him is his contempt for 'political correctness' - eg preferred pronouns, or the policing and censorship of viewpoints because the views are perceived as 'mean and hurtful'

If he is a MRA then I would expect him to back the transgender lobby and put men's feelings before women safety. He doesn't. He sees the risks now. It's a shame that he wasn't able to come to this view a a couple of years ago - but then women's organisations weren't given a hearing back then.

BettyDuMonde · 19/10/2018 12:42

Misogyny is a cross-party issue.

As is women’s rights. That’s what’s been so great about this movement - the TRAs infiltrated all the parties, so women from all parties have had to stand together to oppose them.

The only thing we all have in common is biology and it’s absolutely liberating to be reminded of that.

Her0utdoors · 19/10/2018 13:09

He's an odious shite who delights in getting peoples backs up. There is a large TRA presence in his constituency, he will be delighted to be spiking some blood pressure.

Freespeecher · 19/10/2018 13:17

Shipley is a TRA hotbed?

Her0utdoors · 19/10/2018 13:44

It's certainly the trendy thing to be free.

Freespeecher · 19/10/2018 13:54

That is true. Fortunately I have always been deeply unfashionable. I don't have a beard and have never ridden a Penny Farthing.

AncientLights · 19/10/2018 14:01

Is Shipley really a TRA hotbed? Wouldn't seem to be on the face of it. On his filibustering, he has said he does it because of the low attendance in the House on Fridays and it's the day when worthy causes tend to be debated. A quote from him:

you can’t pass legislation on the whim of a worthy sentiment because it affects people’s lives and livelihoods.

And this is true of the trans issues, surely? On the face of it, it looks like it's an admin thing to make the lives of a few people easier - and that's what TRAs & allies have been claiming - we know better however. But his comments about 'Karen White' do at least show he knows better.

Oh, God, who'd have thought - me sticking up for a Tory.

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