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When GRA consultation closes-what next?

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happydappy2 · 18/10/2018 19:15

Once the consultation closes, how can we best spend our time? I'd like to challenge the narrative that 'children are born in the wrong body.' This is damaging to children and the thought should not be planted in young minds.

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Serfisafleur · 18/10/2018 19:22

Well first I'd like to know exactly what the findings were in some sort of full report and graphs.

Then I'd like to raise awareness of how Stonewall have been grooming schools and institutions for a long time promoting harmful ideology.

I'll keep donating to Posie Parker and everyone else where I can.

littlecabbage · 18/10/2018 19:43

Presumably we can keep spreading the word and asking people to write to their MPs, as they will not be voting yet.

And I want to get behind someone who starts studying the trans "phenomenon" in a scientific manner, with the long game being to repeal the GRA.

The academics who wrote the open letter to The Guardian mentioned scientific study, didn't they?

theOtherPamAyres · 18/10/2018 19:56

The pressure needs to be kept up while the civil servants pore over the submissions.

The meetings need to continue. The challenges to public bodies and corporations need to continue and be stepped up. WPuk and FPFW will continue to need our donations and sales from merchandise in case we have to take legal action/judicial review

The government will probably stall and stall about the outcome. until it finds a "good day to bury the news", in the hopes that the whole thing has been forgotten and faded from public consciousness.

We've only just found our voice and we're going to continue to use it.

Fallingirl · 18/10/2018 20:03

I think we keep up the same conversations, and keep telling people, institutions, businesses etc what we have been telling the all year, i.e. highligt all aspects of why women, as a class, have rights already that must be protected, and in many places need to be extended.

It is now even more important, as now is the time politicians start thinking and acting on the information they get from the consultation.

We must keep up the pressure to ensure the exemptions allowed in the equality act are used.

littlecabbage · 18/10/2018 20:26

We must keep up the pressure to ensure the exemptions allowed in the equality act are used.

What do you mean by this (genuine question - feminist board newbie here!)

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happydappy2 · 18/10/2018 20:28

Also I think its imperative that political parties realise many women are politically homeless.....how can we vote for a party that believes trans women are women? There are clear differences and talking about them must not be deemed transphobic.

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SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 18/10/2018 20:37

I think we need to keep campaigning, keep talking about it, especially Stonewall's aim of removing the exception for single sex services in the Equality Act. Encourage people to write to their MPs, ask them to donate to campaign groups, really just keep the pressure on and try to reach people who still don't know/don't realise the implications.

FermatsTheorem · 18/10/2018 20:38

littlecabbage - under the GRA, a GRC (or being in the process of applying for one) gives a transperson the right to be treated in law as if they were a member of the opposite sex, except for a small set of exclusions where it would be considered to be proportionate to achieving a certain aim to limit access/employment to people of a certain sex.

So, for instance, places where women get naked, like open-plan single sex changing rooms - proportionate to exclude transwomen.

Women's prisons - proportionate to exclude transwomen.

Women's sports - left up to individual sports' governing bodies, but the point is they are legally allowed to exclude transwomen if they feel this is necessary in the interests of safety and fairness.

Both Stonewall and Jeremy Corbyn (among others) are on record as saying the Equalities Act is the next thing they will look at, after reforms to the GRA.

So it's a kind of pincer attack. Phase 1 - get rid of "gatekeeping", replace it with self-ID, so not just transsexuals with gender dysphoria get treated as legally women, but anyone who feels like signing a notarised piece of paper. At this point the cheerleaders for self ID say "it's okay women, don't get your knickers in a twist, it's just a change to the way the law is administered, you'll still have your protections under the Equalities Act."

Then, boom, phase 2. Repeal the relevant bits of the Equalities Act. That's the long (actually short-to-medium) term aim of the "transwomen are women" brigade.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 18/10/2018 20:44

I've resigned myself to being politically homeless - I was a lifelong Labour voter, but I cancelled my membership last year and can't see myself voting for any of the other parties.

That's the weird thing about this whole situation, I've seen people/politicians I really respected behave appallingly, demonstrating real and open sexism. On the other hand, I've found allies amongst people whom I would probably disagree about almost everything else, many of whom feel just as disillusioned about their party of preference. This really is a cross party issue, no matter what the MRA like to claim.

Serfisafleur · 18/10/2018 20:54

The exemptions in the Equality Act are not being applied wrt transgender people because organisations have generally been "advised" (lied to) by lgbt organisations such as Stonewall/Mermaids and are fearful of being "discriminatory" but the whole point is that you are legally entitled to discriminate on the basis of sex because sex is a protected characteristic.

Not only do they want to remove the exemptions wrt transpeople with a GRC,
The Labour party and Stonewall are on record saying they will remove sex as a protected characteristic and replace it with "gender"

Since women's rights began, we've acheived single sex sports, services and spaces which are protected by law under the characteristic of sex.

To change it to gender will leave us with absolutely no lawful way to exclude men who say they're women from any women's spaces or services. None, and if we want a lawsuit over it, we will lose.

This i think should be the biggest campaigning area. A big noise needs to be made about it. (And this all is aside from the fact Labour have said if they get into power they will just implement self-ID with no consultation.)

It's fucking outrageous.

Serfisafleur · 18/10/2018 20:54

^littlecabbage

oneWeirdReSister · 18/10/2018 21:00

Protest in front of prisons.

Set up meetings in every council in the country.

Talk, talk, and talk some more. Make some noise.

Become a governor at your child's school.

Become an expert in the EA and ensure that schools and local councils are following it correctly.

Challenge this ideology wherever you can, whenever you see it.

doublethink · 18/10/2018 21:07

I want to find a local GC feminist group but no idea how to go about it. I've looked online and I can only find 'woke' ones with blokes!

Justhadathought · 18/10/2018 21:07

There needs to be more public awareness around the whole trans-agenda and what it really entails - and its Orwellian tendencies to force the world to speak its language. We also need to make the public aware of exactly the extent that our children are being exposed to this damaging ideology, and its possible consequences for them.

There also needs to be very public expose of the more sinister sides to all of this; the fetishists and the paedophiles using the trans rights movement as a trojan horse.

Someone posted a link of a photo that a certain Green party advisor had posted of children playing with dildos and condoms. That was truly disturbing. Does anyone have access to it, and if so could they a re-post it, please?

NewWomensMovement · 18/10/2018 21:08

Here's a thread with an action plan of gender critical things to do:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3352778-Resource-Thread-Updated-Gender-Critical-Action-Plans

Next deadline:

17th November 2018: Government Consultation ins Sex and Relationships Education

Mumsnet Thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3311534-attention-draft-new-sex-and-relationships-education-guidelines

scepticalwoman · 18/10/2018 21:10

Schools and children.
Challenge the DfE.
Stopping the gas lighting and grooming of children in schools with age inappropriate concepts and materials. Restrict the work to legitimate anti - bullying work, stop imposing unscientific / sex sterotypical beliefs and narratives .

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