Does anyone know anything about safeguarding?

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I am at a loss to know where to begin on this one, I'm just utterly shocked. Off to work and won't be back for a few hours but interested to hear views from the FWR regulars.

Autistic woman, 23, was allowed to be 'pimped out' to strangers
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Hope the link works.

I do not know what to say to that. There are no words.

That poor poor woman. How fucking dare they

Sounds extremely complex. I am suspicious we are not getting the whole story there (neither should we, necessarily). Not sure where the 'pimped out' quote is from, no money changed hands. I would guess that the woman was perhaps violent and they were coping with multiple meltdowns and using dangerous restraint techniques perhaps multiple times a day.

Just about to switch off my phone for the day.
It's obviously a complex case and far more to it than we can be told. However I am beyond disgusted by the men who availed themselves of the opportunity.

That is ‚Sex-Positivity‘ for ya. Reminds me of that guideline of that psychologist society (yeah the one stereotyping women and holding out autistic and Northern women as exception) that suggested sexual kink would be a great therapy tool to heal the scars of sexual abuse.

The headline doesn't match the situation.

This sounds incredibly difficult.

Who were these "random men"? Was it men who she met while out or were they procured for her somehow? I don't quite understand from the article.

It's fairly well known that men are provided with prostitutes isn't it even if they are extremely violent - there was a care home I think where this was happening in the news - apparently people were concerned about the vulnerable residents but there was little concern for the likely vulnerable women who were being brought in for men who the carers knew were violent and (there was more as well it was ages ago though).

This is about the physical vulnerability of women in general on average and the relative risks of sex for men and women isn't it.

She wants sex and as an adult albeit one with a disability that's something that society has the right to deny her... This is and has been a big disabiltiy rights issue. BUT what the court did is bonkers.Was it more to do with they let her take men home and kept an eye on things, rather than stopping her? Or were they procuring men for her? how? I am assuming no money changes hands, although the headline implies otherwise.

I just dont' know. This is really complicated. I think it depends on how it all happened really. And who the men were / where they came from.

I want to be really angry but I'm witholding judgement although it seems pretty dodgy.

"She wants sex and as an adult albeit one with a disability is that something that society has the right to deny her"

Typed wonky there.

Another thread on the topic here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397893-And-another-safeguarding-one-Autistic-woman-pimped-out

Including share tokens to the Times articles containing more information.

Thanks for the link.

When I was writing mine I fogot the "teach her a lesson" comment which is appalling and the further info in the other article turns this into a WTF from me as well.

Firmly off the fence - IQ of 52 FFS.

Am I the only one thinking that it's a peculiarly male view of sex to believe that simply 'getting shagged by random blokes' is entirely what any woman wants?

long and important thread detailing some of the many failings and failures of safeguarding & child protection frameworks.

This has been added:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

Vicky I think that (albeit questions around capacity) this women did in fact want this,

Have a read of the linked thread there is much more info.

It's still a WTF from me but I don't think there's a suggestion that she didn't want the sex - the quesiton is whether given the circumstances she should have been "allowed" to have it.

I'm not defending any of this.

it sounds like a hugely difficult situation which has been handled awfully and with little regard for the woman's safety or for her family / husband.

The stuation seems to have come about due to something which is all too common in women / girls who are deemed to have issues with their behaviour ie she was sexually abused / exploited as a child and that is so often the root and it is NEVER faced and I bet the men who abused her were NEVER held to account.

This whole situaiton has been caused by abusive men by my reading of it, and as ever the focus in on the female victim and the "issues" with her behaviour.

As in the men who abused her as a child and the men who were more than happy to have sex with a woman they didn't know who clearly was not well ie had carers with her etc

I think there's much more on the other thread so it might be best for @MNHQ to close this thread.