Facebook - not feeling brave now

[ChampagneCommunist]

I posted the FairPlay for Women link on my own FB feed, got quite a few likes.

Feeling a bit emboldened, I put the link on my local community group and have been rounded on as transphobic 100%.

I have been polite, non-confrontational and been very careful about the words and phrases I used.

I'm about to start a new job in my town and now wondering if I should delete the thread

Its up to you, but sex is a protected characteristic and it isn't going anywhere. The problems women face haven't been tackled at all and are going to get worse from now on.
Anyone reading your posts is going to see you being polite in the face of provocation.

Why? It’s a perfectly reasonable viewpoint. The Guardian have now come out pretty much in line with the things FPFW and Woman’s Place have been saying. You could post a link to their latest editorial saying you’re glad The Guardian has come to this conclusion to try and balance rights for all.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/17/the-guardian-view-on-the-gender-recognition-act-where-rights-collide?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Also well done and thank you for posting in favour of women’s rights.

Yeah that guardian link is good.
They can all go call the guardian a terf

I don’t do Facebook so can’t comment.

Social media don’t say anything you would regret, I didn’t no regret expressing my beliefs about why I say no to self ID under my real name. What I didn’t expect was my children being fair game for their only way to debate.

Use your real name just remove family and kids because they see them as a weakness to get back at you

Have you check

www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

You could always post them that in reply

I have bent over backwards to be non-confrontational and gender neutral in my post - not my natural stance!

Hopefully the group will have gone back to discussing bad parking & the bare shelves at Sainsbury's by tomorrow

Just brazen it out.
Everyone's a keyboard warrior, but if you saw them out & about they probably wouldn't even think about what they'd been ranting about online.

Well done for speaking up though 💐
V brave.

I understand where you're coming from. I was feeling brave on Saturday and posted a couple of GC links on FB. Immediately got my sister (who I am low contact with because she's a selfish individual) asking if I'd been hacked - she then told me she's a Stonewall supporter! Another acquaintance asked a genuine question about why I am worried about GRA reform, and a third local acquaintance accused me of being a TERF.

At that point I felt a lot less brave, but decided to use the opportunity to try to educate people. So I wrote a long post about my concerns and made it very clear why my stance is not transphobic. And offered to meet either of the acquaintances for a respectful discussion. I even said that I had carefully considered whether to post or not as I hate confrontation and knew I may get verbally attacked, but that I felt the issue was too important to ignore.

The third acquaintance actually PMd me to apologise and said that everything I had said was reasonable and that she agreed that GRA reform needed careful thought. She posted a public post saying we "were cool now".

Weirdly, her husband then jumped on the bandwagon and kept accusing me of transphobia (on the public thread). I remained calm, polite and informative in my responses and linked to useful articles (including the open letter to The Guardian from "genuine transsexuals who are concerned about GRA reform".) In the end, he showed himself up with rudeness and idiotic comments, and I believe I displayed a much better understanding of the debate then he did.

I have since had people telling me privately that they agree with me, so am really glad I posted. I don't judge anyone else for not publicly posting - it is scary. But now that you've already made your stance known, why not ask them for a respectful discussion, either on FB or in person, and show them you're a reasonable, tolerant person but that your concerns for women and girls are valid? Good luck.

I think if you post FPFW tricky dicky video, is perfect... it’s pisstake humour on an important message that grabs attention

Then when u got their attention... you post the hard hitting facts or next video, that one that starts with bath scene. 😭

Worked on few people in real life for me.

Most of my Facebook friends are liberal, gay, queer etc and I have been met mostly with silence but no confrontation. I think they know me well enough to know I've supported LGBT rights for years so I hope at least that they might just be reserving judgement and listening to what I have to say. I keep checking to see if anyone's unfriended though!

The suggestion re the Guardian article is a good one. Loads of people want to agree with the guardian

@littlecabbage sounds like your friend's husband is incapable of independent thought and relies on virtue signalling for his identity. Don't let the bastards grind you down!

This is a good talk by a Trans woman for Woman's Place: www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1459&v=FPdhIjWgKFg&fbclid=IwAR1lARjXTZZ5RDh-ze6KBwkcJGSmXPE8MXAASUPOgmwN6jNXTfQbLBD8754

One person has backed me up on FB!

Feeling a little braver!

I am assuming that you have nothing against trans people and want them to be able to live fulfilling lives, free from discrimination. If this is the case, hold you head high and maintain your position. It is fine if people disagree without making out you're a bigot. If they suggest you are a transphobic etc. they are either misinterpreting your position or wilfully portraying you in an attempt to further their case.

Spoke too soon. Apparently I am promoting a hate group (FPFW).

I have recently outed myself on FB. The comments have all been in agreement with me. When I have mentioned the subject at work , again people have agreed with me and there have been many comments along the lines of that things have gone too far. A tipping point seems to be mentioning the cotton ceiling and the idea that a woman can have a penis.
TRAs do not scare me.

Ive been pretty clearon my views at work and on my personal social media etc. Brutally so in fact, not one person has disagreed with me.

I get your apprehension, but stand firm and remember, They go low, we go high.

I had exactly this champagne.

I left the comment hanging and no one else liked or commented.

I have shared the guardian piece - it's drawn one person out who seems to think trans voices haven't been heard enough (whole agreeing with the piece) and uses cis a lot, and is annoyed the guardian haven't used cis.

So now I have to remember why I don't use cis. (Can any one help?!)

I've been composing replies in my head all morning! While solo parenting hence inability to remember all the cis arguments...

I outed myself on Facebook too.

Had a few likes and shares.

One lady I used to work with was very vocally supportive.

Got some questions from a gay man I used to work with. He’s swallowed the kool aid and was talking about AMAB etc. However it was all respectful and I shared some links.

Women don’t need the prefix “cis” because the word woman means what it has always meant - adult human female.

Anyone who finds this confusing just needs to open a dictionary.

It’s peaking because the consultation is drawing to a close. It will be forgotten about by most people by Monday.

It’s beginning to really annoy me now. I spoke up on one local thread last night but there’s one lone voice itching to scream ‘transphobe’.

If you are confident of your views you don’t need to worry.

I’ve woken up really angry. Mainly because of the Labour Party siding with Stonewall and promoting their consultation. I am disgusted with them for not being impartial.

I am furious that identity politics has become so fucking indulgent. Girls and women all over the world are killed, raped and kidnapped precisely because they are female. Never a whiff of concern. But a middle aged man wants to Have a go at being a woman and we must all accept him as our own. Fuck. Off.

If gender is so fucking innate where are all the middle aged women transitioning to men?

When the only recourse is to yell ‘transphobe’ they have no argument. Good for you for standing up.

Reactived my Facebook, with a nice FPFW post.

Don’t give a fuck who blocks me, pipes up with shit. Reason why I don’t do fb as full of fake arse bullshit.

Haven’t read newsfeeds of ‘friends’ just gone in and liked FPFW posts.

I mentioned something on a community group and got rounded on with the TRANSPHOBE stuff. I stayed polite and put my case forward.
Many, many likes. I hope it made a few people think. I can’t be more explicit about it as the group rules don’t allow political posting unless it’s relevant to the OP (and this was extremely relevant so I was within my rights to say what I did.)

I have little cabbage's sister problem. One friend totally on board with me. Otherwise, total silence. I am hoping that one or two looked and have thought a bit more about it.