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So who have you convinced to respond to the GRA consultation?

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Badstyley · 17/10/2018 13:06

I have got my parents and my sister to submit FPFW’s one click response, plus my sister’s friend has done it too. Myself and my partner have filled it out the long way, and another woman who works with me who I alerted is filling it out for herself and with her elderly mother, plus she said there were two other women filling it out after she told them about it. So that’s nine people who wouldn’t have done it if I hadn’t brought their attention to it, plus there could be other people who I don’t even know about, people who I’ve given leaflets to, people who have seen my posts on social media and people who I’ve chatted to on the bus etc. That’s quite a ripple effect.

Who have you got to fill out the consultation?

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FuriousFifties · 20/10/2018 21:15

14 of my friends and family and I was asked to start a small discussion at my local Quaker Meeting, facts and figures mostly gleamed from this board.

In the street, sometimes depressing, especially the under 30's but I definitely felt that a few handfuls of people, mostly men actually got it immediatley and hopefully went away to have a closer look.

Feel like I have done my best and have made a small difference.

FuriousFifties · 20/10/2018 21:20

That's a tough one Ta1kinpeace we spoke to a nurse on a gynaecology ward who was adamant that the trans women who came in were physically identical to natal women!

HotSauceCommittee · 20/10/2018 21:22

You all convinced me. I joined FPFW on FB and want to urge people to sign. I’m arguing with myself about posting the request and asking folk to do it. On one hand, I’m a woman and want to be “nice” and don’t want to upset anyone (I also have a lovely trans friend on there who isn’t radical; she has two daughters with her wife herself and is a feminist, goes on “Slut walk” marches and such). I also work for the public sector.
On the other hand, STEM, sports, safeguarding.....
Shall I? I know Monday is the deadline and I believe in protecting women’s rights. Why am I being a coward?

smeerf · 20/10/2018 21:23

Only a couple but I appear to have lost an old friend in the process. Apparently she can't bear to be friends with such an awful T**F. Bit gutted to be honest.

lenaperkins · 20/10/2018 21:34

Probably about 8 for sure. Maybe more. Lots of talking and whatsapping.

PerverseConverse · 20/10/2018 21:41

My neighbour and my mum. I've read that children were being encouraged to do it but my children haven't got email addresses so not sure they can? Could they do the email FPFW link using my email address but their own names?

HotSauceCommittee · 20/10/2018 21:58

I’ve done it. I’ve posted it on FB.

RiverTam · 20/10/2018 22:01

DH but other than that, haven’t a clue. But I’ve posted a lot about it on FB so hopefully someone might have been persuaded (though if they have, they haven’t told me! So probably no-one. I’ve certainly not had any messages about it.)

PerverseConverse · 20/10/2018 22:18

I've posted several times about it on Facebook. No one has commented but no one has de-friended me either for mistakenly thinking me a bigot so I hope people have read my posts and acted on them too. We can but hope.

failingatlife · 20/10/2018 22:34

Got my parents, brother sister, DS & DH to do it. My DM is raging and has told anyone who will listen so hopefully some of them will have done it too.

Tanith · 20/10/2018 22:35

Can I ask which organisations are using a pre-written reply option? The Green Party were the first I heard of, FPFW have one - anyone else?

nononsene · 20/10/2018 23:23

Several friends today were posting about Rachel McKinnon (thanks for peak transing folk Rachel) and how unfair it was today on FB. I can’t comment publicly due to my job but messaged them privately and all used the fair play for women one click response to the consultation and shared it under their comments so hopefully others will have done so too.

IKeepFlouncing · 20/10/2018 23:50

Lots including some in professional jobs.

I am real proud of myself (not often I pay myself on the back) but this has really taken me out of my comfort zone as I’m very quiet private person in r/l but I have spoken to people I wouldn’t normally have courage too.

I have an obessive nature well I’m told from last time I had to take on some big official company on my own. I can’t let it go when standing up for something that is doing wrong against another.

IKeepFlouncing · 20/10/2018 23:52

Why Tanith? You only need to submit once

StormCloudsDoClear · 20/10/2018 23:53

My husband shocked me and asked me to show him how to do it.

He was asking me the other day what I was reading about, and I explained about self identification and basically the fact that men could use it to enter female only spaces/changing rooms and so forth. Also explained the recent sex crimes against women in female prisons by transgender inmates.

He suddenly became enraged and demanded I show him how to do it! Took me by surprise normally he just nods and does the "that's interesting dear". All night then though I did have him sounding off about "I swear of a bloke went in to a changing room with you I'd grip him" conversation, but whatever helps you process it all dear haha.

PurpleCrowbar · 20/10/2018 23:59

An entire sixth form, plus multiple mums who attended our meeting; but it doesn't count as we're overseas - but still, our feminist society is on a roll! I was a guest speaker, touched on Karen White amidst a general speech about worldwide feminism & that was quite enough.

I've been vocal on FB & responses have been positive. Also, they're starting to shift from people PMing to say 'I agree, but I wouldn't dare say so publically' to likes & shares.

IKeepFlouncing · 21/10/2018 00:06

Hot I would send a message or speak to your trans friend and explain where you are coming from before you post. FB I posted Tricky Dicky video first as draw them in get their attention. Not sure if I lost any friends I’ve just been posting all revelant women’s rights stuff including about NAS etc. 2 male friends sent me a message by WhatsApp they signed up.

No one else (family already aware) They probably think I been hacked as my fb usually deactivated unless I need sweary rant

ThePrincipal · 21/10/2018 00:06

I was extremely disappointed at a male colleagues who, although initially didn’t know anything about it, and when I started talking about self d, he said but that’s complete non sense, and I said well that’s nonsense being embedded into law.

I sent him the links and in the end he just couldn’t be bothered, even though he had two teen daughters.

doublethink · 21/10/2018 00:15

My husband (who now checks reads the feminism board on a daily basis ), several real life friends, and I've been posting on fb so am hoping a few 'lurkers' will have filled it in. I've also done some leafletting and written to several organisations.

It feels good to be part of a movement, knowing that if all the women on here are speaking to friends then we are having a large influence collectively.

Tanith · 21/10/2018 11:48

Ikeepflouncing I submitted last week. There are accusations flying around here about the FPFW “putting words in people’s mouths”. I’d like to counter them.

Soyalatteforme · 21/10/2018 11:52

My DH, Uncle, 2 colleagues and 3 friends.

ProfessoressWoland · 21/10/2018 12:17

Ta1kinpeace
"How do I argue with people who say that a woman can have a penis and testicles if she says she is a woman?"
What's more important: respecting Ian Huntley's new gender identity, or preventing the next Ian Huntley from hiding behind self-id in order to gain access to young girls in single sex spaces?

IKeepFlouncing · 21/10/2018 12:20

Tanith. - ok as you can see am but defensive on here, which is a joke as it’s only the Internet. Am sure there are more all I know is Fair Play has been a good send with the form, especially if like me I prefer layman style questions, plus I know of one mum who is dyslexic also I don’t recall the consultation having a selection if English not your first language or require form in any other format to cater for other needs. I could be wrong

PiperPublickOccurrences · 21/10/2018 12:24

I've filled it in and DH has too.

DH has a work colleague who refers to herself as transsexual. She has had years of invasive surgery and is really a very complex character. I am more than happy to refer to her as "she". She is totally against the idea that people can just announce that they are now a woman and be treated as such.

DH was initially very much "don't see the problem, live and let live" but the whole Guides thing has really hit home as we have a 13 year old Guide daughter. We've both filled in the consultation although I have serious doubts how much attention the govt pay to these things. I filled in the Scottish one too and they ignored any comments which didn't back what they wanted to hear, which is that transwomen are women.

Tanith · 21/10/2018 12:37

Ikeepflouncing No problem. I’ve been here a while: I know what it’s been like.
I know the Green Party had a pre-written option. I can’t remember if Stonewall does/did.

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