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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is this what I think it is...Rimmel trans?

108 replies

takemeback · 14/10/2018 18:34

Is this a trans advert for foundation? Don't know what to think. Eradication of women?

Is this what I think it is...Rimmel trans?
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Binglebong · 14/10/2018 19:32

Just for Dolor. Honest.

Is this what I think it is...Rimmel trans?
SnuggyBuggy · 14/10/2018 19:35

I don't think trans-inclusive or unisex is always bad, it's fine for some things.

BettyDuMonde · 14/10/2018 19:36

(tangent - Dermacol make excellent coverage make up - I put some on my hand tattoos as an experiment and proper freaked myself out at how alien they seemed 😂 I think they do a pretty wide range of colours, but sadly, none for black skin tones as yet)

bluetitsaretits · 14/10/2018 19:44

I don't usually bother much with make up, but I would be impressed if they matched my skin tone -I'm so pale I'm practically transparent Hmm

BrynsPicasso · 14/10/2018 19:58

If it was a tampax as maybe I'd see your point. However even as a huge TERF I have no issue with this

Deliriumoftheendless · 14/10/2018 20:01

And transwomen wear make up and may wish to see themselves represented in ads.

That’s ok.

Cwenthryth · 14/10/2018 20:01

I don't think trans-inclusive or unisex is always bad, it's fine for some things.
Absolutely!

Deliriumoftheendless · 14/10/2018 20:03

Generalising there, obvs.

Janie143 · 14/10/2018 20:04

Is it time to mention the wonderful John Maclean again. A man in makeup who is still a man

Binglebong · 14/10/2018 20:06

Bluetits I'm another ghost but fortunately don't wear much make up - I can find something not too far off in an emergancy. For darker skin tones the lack of choice is ridiculous. Apart from anything else companies lose a huge share of their market!

Bluntness100 · 14/10/2018 20:12

I really don't see how a guy wearing make up is eradicating women.

He can wear what he wants. They can sell to who they want. They aren't saying women cannot now wear make up anymore. Nor are they saying he's a woman if he wears it.

Any person can wear make up. It's just too stereotypical to say it should be women only.

FloralBunting · 14/10/2018 20:28

This is the problem. We have a fresh new generation of people who have boxed themselves so firmly into ideas of gender that they actually think it's groundbreaking for a man to wear make up.

And threads like this are, in all honesty, not helpful to anyone. I've really enjoyed previous threads like it, where feminists have posted Will Smith's son in a skirt, or men in eyeliner, as examples of fabulous gender non conformity, and AWAs hate it because they don't want to destroy gender boxes, they want to build more of them and stuff everyone inside until we suffocate.

The framing of this thread is pure Genderism. It doesn't erase women if a man wears female gendered accoutrements. It erases women to take away their words, stop them naming their bodies, stop them using intellectual tools to break free from the oppression that gender is part and parcel of.

That's why FWR is not an 'anti trans' board and we don't give a fuck about men wearing dresses, silky gloves and wearing pin curls blah blah blah. Present to the world exactly as you wish. Do the things you like to do. Just don't pretend that your presentation and interests makes you something you are not.

Shit, this is really not complicated stuff.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 14/10/2018 20:32

My take is that Rimmel is trying to sell makeup to men, which I have no problem with at all.

Ekphrasis · 14/10/2018 20:38

This is brilliant! Hoorah, can we return to the days of Adam Ant and Boy George pleeeeaaasse as I think this will sort everyone out!

Ekphrasis · 14/10/2018 20:41

Drool

Is this what I think it is...Rimmel trans?
breastfeedingclownfish · 14/10/2018 20:54

I love a man with eyeliner.

Long hair on a man can be very attractive

A man who say he's a lesbian: dodgy as fuck

Cwenthryth · 14/10/2018 20:58

You’re not wrong Floral. It’s quite funny, in a very sad way, that this photo is somehow considered groundbreaking or breaking taboos. We’ve done this already!

Barracker · 14/10/2018 21:00

Men can wear slap.
I think we covered this 3 or 4 decades ago, kids.
Is it time for a recap?

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 14/10/2018 21:00

What's the saying? He who has failed history is doomed to see men wearing makeup as groundbreaking.

Or something like that.

rainingcatsanddog · 14/10/2018 21:01

I have no problem with men advertising makeup.

Binglebong · 14/10/2018 21:19

And threads like this are, in all honesty, not helpful toanyone

Actually I think they are. Not the OP (sorry OP) but the bit where absolutely everyone says you're being an idiot, dress as you like. I think it shows that it really isn't transphobic and a fear of how people present. For the most part we really don't give a shit. And the more people who know that the better.

LassWiADelicateAir · 14/10/2018 21:29

We have a fresh new generation of people who have boxed themselves so firmly into ideas of gender that they actually think it's groundbreaking for a man to wear make up

It is ground breaking for a man to be used in a mainstream advert campaign. I have never seen that before.

I think it is a little disingenuous to keep trotting out references to 70s and 80s rock and pop stars and claim this as evidence of those generations being oh so cool with men in make up. Those men were doing it to shock/ get attention/ part of a stage act. Very few men carried it into real life.

Oh and I am heartily sick of David Bowie being trotted out to support this. Did Bowie use make up/andogyny as anything other than a stage act?

Given Bowie's frequent appearance in the lists of the 70s groupies of rock stars they shagged I think the less said about him the better.

FloralBunting · 14/10/2018 21:31

Binglebong, yes. Another thread someone starts saying something fairly contentious, and we all trot up like good little dancing ponies and prove, yet again, that we don't have the slightest problem with blowing raspberries at fixed notions of gender. It's got 'trans' in the fucking title too, so that's a great win for the ratios.

I'm not having a pop at you, Bingle, I'm just not feeling the joy at another 'opportunity' to show I don't hate anyone when I say deeply boring things like men are not women.

FloralBunting · 14/10/2018 21:33

Lass, fwiw, the image in my head of men wearing make up isn't Bowie, I tend to think of bewigged Dandies.

Dragon3 · 14/10/2018 21:33

I can't get worked up about make up being marketed to men.

It is sexist to market makeup as a ubiquitous component of womanhood. But that didn't happen here.

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