More blatant misogyny from Lib Dems

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/12/lgbt-leaders-lawmakers-reject-radical-feminist-transphobia/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Buffer&utm_campaign=PN

Sorry if there is already a thread on this that I have missed

Baroness Barker commended Prime Minister Theresa May for choosing to champion transgender equality, but criticised how long it took for the government to launch the consultation, in July, after first announcing plans to reform the GRA in October.
That delay, according to Baroness Barker, allowed “self-identified radical feminists” to organise and “put together a whole series of assumptions and generalisations.” She compared the strategies adopted by these groups to those historically adopted by people “to foster hatred agains minorities” and called for people to “reclaim feminism.”

Can't people like Baroness Barker not hear themselves? She is explicitly complaining about women having time to organise and argue their point about a change in the law which affects them. What exactly would her reclaimed feminism look like? One where women would have to apply to a panel of Wokes before being allowed to air approved opinions?

The in- your- face misogyny, anti-free speech and anti-democratic policy positions from the Lib Dems have be breath taking.

And actually Baroness, I have done my best to read and listen to both sides of this debate. And what has been striking is that the GC side have actually bothered to gain hard evidence and data to support their side. Unlike the trans activists who are using silencing, intimidation and outright lies to 'make' their case.

And actually Baroness, the one good thing for me about this whole debate is that I have moved from being someone who called myself a feminist but never really put a lot of thought into what that meant, to one who really understands what it means now, and just how deep the underlying misogyny is in our society. So thanks alike to both GC feminists, trans activists and your good self Baroness, for opening my eyes and making me a better, more informed and more committed feminist.

It's funny how these people always want to smear feminists for their "strategies" and never seem to try to highlight any actual flaws in our arguments or evidence.

I am getting seriously down-hearted, though, at how many of them are women. Especially when they choose to smear other women, rather than accepting that disagreement is valid.

It's funny how these people always want to smear feminists for their "strategies" and never seem to try to highlight any actual flaws in our arguments or evidence.

Yes, it's almost as if they don't have any arguments or evidence to counter ours with....

Stephen Whittle must be well pissed off - after all, Stephen Whittle is on record saying the success of the 2004 act was largely due to sneaking it through under the radar.

It's almost as if the trans cause can't bear the sunlight of scrutiny. If laws can be introduced without public scrutiny we have relinquished democracy.
Baroness Barker is a bigot.

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3390910-Can-we-talk-about-Pink-News-Collecting-examples-of-their-propaganda

Liz Barker session chair of influential policy forum:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3268237-Westminster-Social-Policy-forum-today-Next-steps-for-transgender-Equality-WSPFEvents

Stephen Doughty MP's role during Home Affairs Committee on Hate Crime critiqued by James Kirkup Spectator (May 2018), 'Why are some MPs trying to shut down the transgender debate?'
(extract)
"Doughty, meanwhile, describes as “extreme” and “hate material” an article which observes that some people lobbying for changes in the name of transgender people are advocating things that might not be in the best interests of children. I have never met Doughty but have generally heard good things about him from colleagues: bright, committed, thoughtful and so on. So I must assume that he was having an off day when the committee met last week. It happens to us all, after all.

Surely a bright, thoughtful chap like him didn’t mean to imply that it was his job as Member of Parliament to tell newspapers what they can and cannot write? Surely he had no intention of acting as if it is in any way appropriate for a politician to decide what is and is not acceptable for journalists to say, and how they say it? And I can only hope that it was by a simple accident that he singled out by name a female journalist and suggested that her employers stop her saying the things that she thinks – because Doughty happens not to like her saying those things?

As I say, I must assume that he meant none of these things, that he had no such moronic and bullying intent when he spoke and acted as he did. I assume that Doughty is an honourable politician determined to do his job in a democracy and ensure that matters of public policy are debated fully and honestly, whether or not some people find such debate offensive. Because, as I am sure Doughty knows, there is no right not be offended and if we ever let hurt feelings stop us discussing matters of public interest on the basis of the facts, everyone loses."
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Would love to know what her version of reclaiming feminism is. We all bond over our love of handbags?

And what's all this about 'self-identified feminists'? Nobody ever asked me how I identify, though I tend to be with whoever said if someone tells you how they identify, you can be sure it's mistaken identity. Who else would identify us? Maybe they're miffed that we haven't organised ourselves along male lines and have a membership system going on.

They love dissing actual feminists who put women first and making out that we're not feminists. "Miller did it too with "purported feminists".

Thanks for the helpful links and extract from Kirkup, Rowantrees

What’s odd is the implication that women who “self-identify” as feminists aren’t actually feminists. Almost as if the Baroness believes there could be some amount of daylight between “self-identification” and reality.

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Ha yes good point ^

And yes, this whole debate has honed my feminism so that I feminist a whole lot better than before.