Obsession with transwomen fetishises sex difference

[spannablue]

Just read on Twitter:

'The problem with patriarchy is not due to men having penises, it's due to the lie that this random feature of birth confers & signifies rank, power & domination. We must not collude in that by fetishising sex difference & aggrandizing genitals that happen to be on the outside.'

What do you think?

I think she’s being idiotic.

It’s not gender critical feminists who are doing the ‘fetisizing(?) here.

"The problem with colonialist oppression was not due to Westerners having guns, it was due to the lie that this random feature of birth conferred and signified rank, power and domination. We must not collude in that by fetishising power differentials and aggrandising weapons that happen to be able to be used to kill people.

The irony of it is that we have been forced to talk about penises in changing rooms or wherever, because the pomo wokes are always moving the goalposts and redefine everything, so that if you say ‚a man in the changing room‘ they‘ll drone on about men with vaginas and what it means to be a man.
They can‘t do define away the penis, so now they complain about us fetishizing the one denominator that nails their pudding on the wall.

God that person is not able to think properly. And they are an academic? Crikey. We are in big trouble here.

OP, are you happy to invite every random violent, drunk or criminal stranger to use your family toilet at home? No? Then stop talking nonsense about Posie Parker’s husband using her bathroom at home. That is utterly irrelevant to risk assessment for women’s public toilets.

The problem with patriarchy is not due to men having penises, it's due to the lie that this random feature of birth confers & signifies rank, power & domination.
It does confer rank, power and dominance. There is no way to erase the personality, experience, upbringing, socialisation and physical advantages being born male confers. We can't run someone out and redraw them as female. All we can do is drug them and alter them surgically.

It sounds like someone is saying
"You should all ignore sex, so that I can ignore sexism"

Rub not run

An addendum to my post above: of course it's not JUST the penis, it's the much greater muscle mass and strength of males, along with their motivation to control access to the sexual gratification and reproductive ability provided by women's bodies, as has already been said by a poster above.

By the way, the word "signify" here is being used in its postmodernist sense. More pomo-addled nonsense

It is precisely because of the physical differences between the sexes that women have been oppressed across the world and throughout history.

Saying there are large strong women who can cause other women damage of this kind does nothing to alter that.

Putting aside the gender stuff for a moment, do we need to explain to this person what a family is?

There's an absolutely wonderful thread on chat at the moment about Scots dialect, which leads me to suggest to the OP, using the language of my foremothers, "Och, awa and bile yer heid!"

What exactly am I, Fermatstheorum?

I was not born with a penis, deepwatersolo.

I'm actually trying to get out of my echochamber and to try out ideas here.

I actually agree with heresyandwitchcraft here:

I'll tell you what fetishizes sex differences - saying that removing certain body parts will make you the opposite sex. Or that a predilection for certain behaviours or clothing makes you the opposite sex.

But the blame, I believe, lies in patriarchy.

What do you think patriarchy is?

Anyhow, seems to be in increase in people right now coming here to tell lots of us we're all wrong, and that we're obsessed with transwomen.

For those new to the discussion and wondering why that might be, particularly this weekend

I'll leave this here fairplayforwomen.com/ and take myself and my obsession with women's and girls rights to safety, privacy and dignity off out, along with my stack of Fairplay leaflets.

Anyone who wants to deny the reality of male violence through history and across geographical boundaries, thus gaslighting women by attempting to make it impossible for them to talk about the shit that is dealt out to them, day in, day out, in virtue of them being women, is a raving woman hater. They may be a raving woman hater in possession of XX chromosomes, they may be a raving woman hater in possession of XY chromosomes (since this is an anonymous internet forum I have no way of knowing).

If someone tries to deny the reality of male on female violence, that makes them the misogynist equivalent of a Holocaust denier.

Only you, however, know if those are actually your views, or whether you intended to give the impression that you hold such views. But, if the cap fits, wear it.

Clear enough for you?

Violent penetration can be achieved with things other than penises

But "things other than penises" can't get women pregnant.
Rape causes unwanted pregnancy which is a far more serious act of violence.

Well, spannablue, if you were not born with a penis, and were treated as a girl your whole life, I can honestly not understand, why you would conflate women pointing out the power and violence patterns of bepenised people with fetishizing penis.
That the original statement (and the subsequent one that can‘t see the difference between naked Das and naked Mr. Anonymous) were made by a person with a penis, does not surprise me, though.

Violent penetration can be achieved with things other than penises

If there was a significant, pervasive pattern of women doing just that existing in every society on earth (so, in the way rape performed using a penis is) then perhaps it would be relevant to this discussion in some way. Since there is not perhaps we can get back to performing realistic risk assessments.

LOL!

I saw Finn Mackay being roasted all over the Twatter for that series of tweets - the epitome of bourgeois faux feminism - and thought to myself bet some plonker tries to frame this as a gotcha on FWR. And lo and behold, Spanna, here you are. Predictable as ever.

pencilsinspace

I think patriarchy is the practical result of heteronormativity, which keeps us in our sex-labelled boxes.

The heteronormative boxes relate to things like clothing, jobs, and who we marry. This maintains a binary divide between men and women. It also restricts and hurts gender dysphoric people, making them feel they have to remove parts of themselves to exist. They are as much victims of heteronormativity as (assigned female at birth) women are.

Heteronormativity also functions to maintain the nuclear family structure as a basic economic unit, crucial to the operation of capitalism. That's why FPFW and AWP are assisted in setting up political meetings by some of the Toriest Tories in parliament (does that not concern anyone?)

So the argument is: if we deconstruct heteronormativity, patriarchy won't have the strategic categories it needs to function.

Deconstrucing heteronormativity means rebalancing things vis the Pink Stinks campaign, the #MeToo movement, and for me, support of trans people.

And we all know which of the two sexes is obsessed with violent penetrations of other humans with all kinds of objects and funds a huge porn industry for it.

But "things other than penises" can't get women pregnant.
Rape causes unwanted pregnancy which is a far more serious act of violence.

Yes. This.

Let us be crystal clear on this. Spanna is pushing this woman-hating shite in a month in which a man, who has been accused of attempted rape and sexual assault by multiple women, then appointed to the US Supreme Court following a totally inadequate investigation (the FBI were given a remit under which they were not even required to interview the complainants), and - the key and crucial point - he has been given this Supreme Court appointment in the hope that he will use that power to repeal Roe vs. Wade, thus making abortion illegal.

That's the level of woman hating we're at - allow a suspected rapist to decide whether women are to be forced to carry foetuses, including the foetuses of their rapists, to term.

And yet Spanna wants us to believe that penises are entirely incidental to the proceedings.

deepwatersolo

Finn Mackay does not have a penis, nor has she ever had one.

So, this woman, who was raped to death on a bus in Dehli, a few years back... she had escaped boxes, attended a college, went out with a nice guy...
It wasn’t heteronormativity that killed her.