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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New video about street harassment of girls

39 replies

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 12/10/2018 14:00

Here - I think it gets the problem across well

plan-uk.org/act-for-girls/street-harassment

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Ineedacupofteadesperately · 12/10/2018 14:01

Ugh, clicky link plan-uk.org/act-for-girls/street-harassment

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MrsAird · 12/10/2018 14:13

that is fantastic.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 12/10/2018 14:23

Yes, very good video, but disturbing. Makes me so glad to be middle aged and invisible. But I worry for both DDs.

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NaturalBornWoman · 12/10/2018 14:38

It's an excellent video, I've shared widely.

AbsintheFriends · 12/10/2018 16:19

Brilliant, thanks for sharing OP.

scotsheather · 12/10/2018 16:52

These may not be happening to all girls all of the time, but happening they still are. Not that everyone cares really.

GulagsMyArse · 12/10/2018 19:44

That is great, really gets it

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 12/10/2018 23:01

Bump for the evening crowd.... Just think it's worth watching.

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Ineedacupofteadesperately · 12/10/2018 23:04

And also - this is one reason (there are many more) why single sex spaces are so important. When you're a young girl subject to this shit, it's great to be able to get away somewhere you KNOW it can't happen.

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peanut2017 · 12/10/2018 23:05

Sadly what I experienced as a kid. Sometimes coming home from school. Really gets the message across

Nicknamesalltaken · 12/10/2018 23:09

Every man in your life needs to see this.

So many just don’t know this happens. We need them to be aware and to call it out when they see it as well.

Gileswithachainsaw · 12/10/2018 23:12

Sounds about right and the second it slows down you know it's going to start on your Dds instead.

MrGHardy · 13/10/2018 00:04

Some of it is too fake surely, e.g. that old guy leering out of the van was just ridiculous. (Not saying it's fake as in fake it doesn't happen, I mean the staging of that particular scene was terrible). The part about the upskirt seemed much more natural, but yea, I don't know, it seemed a little forced to me overall.

Surely showing actual footage would be much more effective? Like that one video some time ago about street harassment, I think in New York, I still remember parts of that, like that one old creep being offended saying "it's my right to holla at her".

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 13/10/2018 00:19

Really? The take away from that video is that it 'looks fake'? Not any outrage at the number of young girls who report being harassed? In their school uniforms? (if you read the wider web page not just the video there's been some research done)

You want to take footage of girls being sexually harassed and abuse them again by releasing that footage online without their consent. Because I doubt you'd get young teenage girls to consent to that. Women maybe, girls not so likely. No way in hell would I have consented to my humiliation being made public online.

What is wrong with getting actors involved? I thought the video was pretty accurate from what I can remember of being in similar situations as a girl myself (albeit rather more years ago than I like to admit).

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MrGHardy · 13/10/2018 00:33

You misunderstood, I even mentioned that I do not mean it is fake as in does not happen, but that parts look so ridiculously staged.

I did not advocate to do it without their consent, the video I mentioned the woman did it herself, I never said to go around secretly trying to capture video then put it online. Why are you putting words in my mouth that I never said?

Again, I didn't say it's inaccurate, I said I felt it's poorly done.

"That is great, really gets it" - this comment sums up what I meant. I am not surprised that those who experiences will feel it to be completely spot on. But those aren't the people the video is aimed at, they already know this is happening. It's aimed at those that are doing it, and those that stay quiet and let it happen. And from my perspective, it will not reach many of those it should.

differentnameforthis · 13/10/2018 01:34

but that parts look so ridiculously staged. of course it does! As op said, you cannot show really footage of girls being sexually abused just to satisfy your need for it to look realistic.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 13/10/2018 09:59

I did not advocate to do it without their consent, the video I mentioned the woman did it herself, I never said to go around secretly trying to capture video then put it online

I was trying to explain that I seriously doubt there is ANY teenage girl who would consent to footage of her being sexually harassed online. I've been a teenage girl, I have a daughter approaching her teenage years and I know several more. They are embarrassed by the silliest things, they would be mortified and traumatised by the event and the idea it could be videoed and viewed by other people would floor them and - in my opinion - seriously harm their mental health.

So it's use actors or don't try and raise awareness at all.

The fact you even suggest this as a possibility and equate an adult confident woman who released footage online (I bet at great personal cost) to schoolgirls in their uniforms shows you don't really get it.

I didn't put words in your mouth, I'm trying to get you to understand that what you suggest as a possibility isn't a possibility at all and would cause severe trauma to the real girls involved.

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Ineedacupofteadesperately · 13/10/2018 10:02

And if you think it's poorly done - hey, try and raise money and be involved in doing another video which is better done, hey?

Personally I think it's brilliant and I think it reflects actual harassment I experienced as a teenager very well. The bus situation happened to me in a very similar way.

I wonder how much the 'this is staged' is you actually thinking 'this can't really happen like this, can it?'. It can, it does.

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Ineedacupofteadesperately · 13/10/2018 10:04

I'm not trying to get at you, I'm trying to get you to understand why real footage would be a bad thing. I think it's great you're engaging with this at all. We need to have these conversations.

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MrGHardy · 13/10/2018 11:17

"would cause severe trauma to the real girls involved."

This seems hyperbolic. You can film it so that their faces aren't even shown, but focus on the leering men. That's how I would have done it, shown some examples and then moved on to a part with actors. But if you say no, fine I can accept that, but that still doesn't mean that they could not have done it better with the actors. That point stands, regardless what you think, I guarantee you there will be boys laughing at that part. Possibly even exactly because of the thing you wrote below ("how much is you actually thinking"). Suppose I truly was a person that doesn't believe this, then I inadvertently would have just shown you that the video isn't very effective, because I would be the prime target of the video. Right, you must admit that women who already know this shit is happening, who experienced it, are not the audience.

And this: "And if you think it's poorly done - hey, try and raise money and be involved in doing another video which is better done, hey?" surely is a joke. No one is allowed to critique something, unless they can do it better themselves?

"I wonder how much the 'this is staged' is you actually thinking 'this can't really happen like this, can it?'. It can, it does."

I wonder why despite me saying to not put words in my mouth, and you protesting that you are not, you now put thoughts in my head. What else do you want to tell me about myself? You are telling me that from your perspective it's brilliant and are questioning me, and yet when I tell you something from my perspective, that is suddenly up for scrutiny.

Look, in the end I never said the video or the idea of the video is bad, just that some parts felt too staged to me, making it ineffective. For what it's worth I really like the video and its message, and I am a great fan of Plan International, my parents have been sponsoring two children via them for over a decade now and they are doing wonderful stuff.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 13/10/2018 11:57

I haven't told you what to do, I expressed incredulity about your opinions, that is all. I've made suggestions. That is all, I'm allowed to have opinions about your opinions, that is what places like MN are all about.

I said 'I wonder' that means it was an idea, not an order. I didn't put words in your mouth I said "i wonder' inviting a reply. Fine, my musings might be wrong. Maybe you're all too aware about this and step in when you see a teenage girl being harassed like this. Who knows.

Obviously your first reaction on seeing the video was that it is staged and that is the most important thing about it. Fine, I get that. I'm totally amazed by that, but let's just agree to disagree.

Let's stop this derail and talk about the shocking fact that so many young girls get this sort of behaviour directed at them in their school uniform. I hope we can both agree that that should be the focus here.

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MrGHardy · 13/10/2018 12:30

And yet somehow you find it irrelevant to talk about how the target audience might react to the video. Cool. I wonder why that is.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 13/10/2018 12:32

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ-qpvibpdU

A video by imkaan on the same topic

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 13/10/2018 12:33

m.youtube.com/watch?v=mdf5S_ILQWA

And one by Amina

For anyone looking for resources to share on the topic who doesn't get on as well with the video in the op. One has oral testimony. One is a filmed poem.

Datun · 13/10/2018 12:41

Women will absolutely totally get it. Immediately.

It's very disturbing that because it's portrayed by actors, there is an opinion that people won't find authentic, or take it seriously.

Which is why as many women as possible have to view it and post it. And say, yes, this is exactly what it's like.

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