"It may be a while before older women stop feeling erased"

[Ereshkigal]

Did we cover this at the time? I can't remember. Article in inane wokemag The Pool by Cologne rape apologist Gaby Hinsliff about the GRA.

www.the-pool.com/news-views/politics/2018/26/Gaby-Hinsliff-on-Penny-Mordaunt-and-trans-rights

Don't read if you have high blood pressure.

I cannot physically read that. It makes me panic.

Is there any actual evidence that YOUNG women don’t feel erased?

When did ageism become acceptable? I mean, I voted against Brexit but it pissed me off that the go-to complaint from our side is that those who supported Brexit are a bunch of old bastards who deserve to die in the next cold snap.

Me too Aspie.

Yeah, if no one minds, I'll still privilege my own perspective over that of the stereotyped millennial woke who appear to be ignorant of history, science, how language and communication work and generally lacking in life experience.

It may be a while before older women stop feeling erased and annoyed

Dearie me.

I'm not sure, am I an older woman? I'm very early 40's. Is my eldest GC daughter past it at 17? I'm always ruefully amused by this comparison of assumptions that reminds GC women that not every woman agrees with them, but insists that every young woman is fine with yielding their boundaries, no exceptions.

You can't say she's not consistent in her complete disregard for other women's safety.

No, quite.

Or expecting women to be collateral damage for someone else's agenda.

Shorter Gaby with grumpy old ladies who just need to get with it on the left.

It may be a while before older women stop feeling erased and annoyed by initiatives like the recent cancer-charity advert reminding "anyone with a cervix” to get a regular smear test (worded to remind trans men that they may still need screening and that GPs may not always remember to call them in).

Is there a forecast on when hell is due to freeze over? Though I'm much more annoyed (too mild a word - appalled) by the insanity of medical records obscuring transmens biology to the extent of putting them at risk, TBH.

Is this not another way to erase older women? Telling them it's their age that means they haven't quite grasped the nuances of the changing times and so dismissing their views entirely? Incidentally, I'm 31 and don't appreciate being erased nor do I think my opinion should be given any more weight than anyone else's by the mere dint of being older or younger. How bizzare.

Interesting - "GPs might not always remember to call them (transmen) in (re cervical cancer"...

If a transman "passes" and has a male birth cert and has joined the practice since starting to identify publicly as male (vice versa trans women re prostate etc), then it's not really about onus on a GP to 'remember'. Isn't the stated aim to erase all previous references to natal sex and prohibit anyone from referring to it (hashtag literal violence)?

Sorry Errol, crossposted, and you explained it better than me.

If a transman "passes" and has a male birth cert and has joined the practice since starting to identify publicly as male (vice versa trans women re prostate etc), then it's not really about onus on a GP to 'remember'.

^^ Yes - some notable TW celebrities have tweeted about compelling the NHS to change the sex on their health records or to celebrate that the start of treatment means that the NHS changed the record...

However, tbh, given the amount of monitoring that should be done of anyone taking exogenous hormones, I'd be startled if this never came up. I wouldn't be allowed to take HRT after a certain age (I don't, I've seen this mentioned several times) so GPs who don't know would surely have people in for medication reviews and it might well be mentioned then.

As I trundle towards old baghood (I'm over 40 now so officially an "older woman" even though Brad Pitt could just about be my dad) I am reminded every day how women are only worth anything at all if they are still considered fuckable.
And there is a special place in Hell for young women who patronise and denigrate older women. Have some respect.

I'm a genuine 'older' woman and I am bloody sick of the assumption that we are all semi-demented dinosaurs.

Ageism - the last acceptable 'ism' apparently.

If Cancer Research wanted to be inclusive there is absolutely no reason why they could not have said "women and trans men" instead of "anyone with a cervix". But no, they were making a political point, though not so political that they said "anyone with a prostate" because that would upset the men presumably.

As Aspie said it's a similar attitude to that about older people voting against Brexit being bastards. Never occurs that a lot of them might have been people that voted for it in 1975 and and against it in 2016 when the EU turned out to be an entirely different organisation than the one they voted for originally.

Ahem.... Isn't a huge feminist issue the very fact that older women are erased from public life? Whether in the media, or dismissed as old crazy crones?
This is adding to the ageist sexism that older women face. One of the first rules of feminism should be that you listen to your mothers, grandmothers, and great-grandmothers. You learn from them. You don't have to agree with everything, but they have faced massive battles to make things better for YOU. They gave birth to you, sacrificed for you and raised you.
If you are such an entitled little brat that you cannot even consider why they are saying something is a problem, that they recognize trans activism has a clear pattern of misogyny, and return women the favour of seriously considering their feelings and listening carefully to their well-researched arguments - wholesale dismissing the wisdom of the generations of women with massive amounts of life experience acquired decades before you came along - then the problem, my dear, is with YOU.

Contrary to popular myth, that doesn't make it as easy as waking up in the morning and announcing you’re a woman – it involves signing a legal declaration that this is a permanent change and doing it for fraudulent reasons would be made a criminal office – but does mean trans people wouldn’t have to provide psychiatric reports any more, which many find demeaning).

So waking up in the morning and completing an online form (which I bet won't take as long as it's taken me to do the consultation ) . So an hour? Safe in the knowledge that if you are completing it fraudulently, how the hell will anyone prove that.

I'm honestly really very worried about what's going to happen after the consultation.

That first paragraph was supposed to be a cut and paste job in bold. Didn't work. Could this technical incompetence be because I'm old?!!!!

The "young" always forget that one day they will be the "old bats," too.

It's not a feeling. I am being erased.

Haven't we told you before, Gaby - it's not about feelings.

but does mean trans people wouldn’t have to provide psychiatric reports any more, which many find demeaning).

I'm sure people with other serious psychological conditions find that demeaning too. But they still have to.

The point is, Gaby, that many of these people don't have gender dysphoria which is why they wouldn't get a diagnosis and be able to change their gender legally.

I can no longer be bothered to wait for them to catch up.