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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

We're not targetting children - honest!

43 replies

WatchThePotatoesBoil · 10/10/2018 18:21

Here we go again...

Following in the wake of "Penguin Tales", this one is a bit more specific - the subtext being that if you don't like dresses, fairies, or long hair, then you're a boy.

It's aimed at 4-8yr olds.

There's more info at Pink News

I wonder how the reviews on Amazon will go...

We're not targetting children - honest!
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VickyEadie · 10/10/2018 18:23

I didn't like dresses, fairies or long hair as a child (still don't). it never occurred to me to assume I was a boy, though I was aware that if I had been a boy I could have played professional football. The fact I was crap at it didn't seem that big a barrier...

KatVonGulag · 10/10/2018 18:24

It's absolutely heartbreaking.
Of course a girl can like those things.

Parents be very very aware

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/10/2018 18:24

£14 Shock That's a very expensive kids book!

YeTalkShiteHen · 10/10/2018 18:25

If this shit had been about when I was a kid I bet I’d have been told I should be a boy. Because I didn’t and still don’t fit into gender stereotypes.

Doesn’t stop me being a woman.

SoTodayMyNameIs · 10/10/2018 18:26

Urgh. The blue and the pink title too.

FloralBunting · 10/10/2018 18:28

I'm eagerly awaiting the posts from people on the pro-transing-kids side to come and reiterate that knowing you are trans when you are a child, or knowing your child is trans is very complicated and nothing to do with gendered stereotypes at all.

Even though every single trans testimony involves a child not going along with expected gender stereotypes as the basis for the trans identity.

MadamBatty · 10/10/2018 18:31

Asa young child everybody thought I was a boy, I never thought I was one. When a neighbour first saw me wear a dress (shoe horned into one by my mother). aged 8, they said oh but I thought that one wAs a boy. Nobody me, the neighbour or the mother thought anything more of it.

Two of my nieces said they were boys as young children. Again nobody thought anything of it. Now aged 24 & 26 , one is a lesbian & the other is not. I shudder to think what could have happened to them if their parents had a trans agenda.

WatchThePotatoesBoil · 10/10/2018 18:35

Ah, but they know it from the moment they're born... Apparently...

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MrsTerryPratchett · 10/10/2018 18:43

"Bennu doesn't like the idea of neck elongation. She must be a boy."

"Huo doesn't fancy having her feet broken and bound. She must be a boy"

"Abebi doesn't fancy being kidnapped into sexual slavery. She's a boy"

Or does this gender stereotype nonsense only apply to relatively privileged white children in western democracies? Gender stereotypes are completely time and culture specific. Pink, fairies and so on aren't 'female'. They are just stuff.

AssassinatedBeauty · 10/10/2018 18:43

Oh gosh that's just rammed full of horrific gender stereotyping that goes uncommented on, because the answer is that the sister is actually a boy... Rather than the parents need to step the fuck up and stop pushing gendered nonsense onto their child, and stop the older sister from doing so as well.

Starkstaring · 10/10/2018 18:44

Lordie Lord - as someone said previously on here " The fifties called, they want their stereotypes back".
What a load of bollocks.

Bowlofbabelfish · 10/10/2018 18:46

Dangerous stuff.

FermatsTheorem · 10/10/2018 18:50

MrsTerry - well, quite. Angry Why does anyone buy into this crock of shit? Why not just say "anyone can like whatever they like, dress however they like... if you still feel like you don't fit at 18+ then maybe we can look into it some more, but in the mean time, just enjoy being a child". (Oh, scratch that, I know why they buy into the crock of shit, it's the falsification of suicide stats... Angry again.)

JellySlice · 10/10/2018 19:00

Here is a photo from the Victorian era - a time when gender behaviour was rigidly enforced. Can you tell what sex(s) these children are? Can you tell their gender(s)?

We're not targetting children - honest!
ToeToToe · 10/10/2018 19:01

Horrific.

If my dd had been introduced to that crap at age 4 god knows what she's have thought.

Gender stereotyping being rigidly enforced.

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 10/10/2018 19:07

I am off to review it.

VickyEadie · 10/10/2018 19:08

MrsTerryPratchett

does this gender stereotype nonsense only apply to relatively privileged white children in western democracies? Gender stereotypes are completely time and culture specific. Pink, fairies and so on aren't 'female'. They are just stuff.

Spot ON!

Elephantinacravat · 10/10/2018 19:14

What. The. Fuck. Is. That. Shit?

Elephantinacravat · 10/10/2018 19:17

See this is what I don't get about the trans movement. They are always going on about smashing gender stereotypes, oh so progressive etc and then at the same time promote this stuff?

FloralBunting · 10/10/2018 19:22

Elephantinacravat, that's one of the reasons I am digging my heels in, tbh. There are so many internal contradictions, but given the very real possible consequences of young people facing mutilation and sterility, the idea that this movement is 'challenging gender' by completely reinforcing it is one of the single most wicked lies I can think of.

AbsintheFriends · 10/10/2018 19:24

Just to illustrate that it's a tale as old as time: Charles Darwin's Edwardian granddaughter in shocking non-binary reveal.

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scotsheather · 10/10/2018 19:25

NOT liking dresses and dolls is as likely to make you a girl. That was me to a T. Some boys find the stuff cute but its not foisted on them because of their biology.

Elephantinacravat · 10/10/2018 19:31

the idea that this movement is 'challenging gender' by completely reinforcing it is one of the single most wicked lies I can think of.

Absolutely this.

I am totally horrified by that book.

oatmilk4breakfast · 10/10/2018 19:37

This has been my issue with it from the start - this sort of agenda seems only and completely to reinforce gender stereotyping. Let kids be kids! And stuff be stuff!

Queenofmyownheart · 10/10/2018 19:47

Wow 🤦🏼‍♀️ my daughters favourite colour is blue, she loves cars, mud, dinosaurs, football and wrestling. She detests wearing skirts or dresses and lives in leggings & loose tshirts. She also begs me to cut her hair off because she can't stand me brushing it. Oh and she went through a phase of demanding everyone call her Barry around the age of 3. I actually once had someone ask me if I'd considered if she was trans. I laughed and told her no, my daughter is a strong minded child, who likes what she likes without any basis on gender. This nonsense is completely wrong and so confusing to children. Let them be whoever they want to be. If they start asking serious questions at an age where they are capable, then is the appropriate time to address these issues.

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