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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

We're not targetting children - honest!

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WatchThePotatoesBoil · 10/10/2018 18:21

Here we go again...

Following in the wake of "Penguin Tales", this one is a bit more specific - the subtext being that if you don't like dresses, fairies, or long hair, then you're a boy.

It's aimed at 4-8yr olds.

There's more info at Pink News

I wonder how the reviews on Amazon will go...

We're not targetting children - honest!
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Echobelly · 10/10/2018 20:06

I think it's well-intentioned, but wrong headed. It is reinforcing stereotypes and it is pushing kids towards believing GNC kids must be trans.

It's annoying because my short-haired, mostly trouser-wearing (certainly at school) daughter who is definitely a daughter is going to start secondary next year where she'll likely be the only child from her primary at the new school, and I fear is going to be faced with a barrage of 'Are you trans?' 'Do you think you're a boy?'. Because people have forgotten that not conforming to gender archetypes doesn't = trans.

I was just thinking the other day how I guess in 60s, 70s, 80s and at least early 90s, it was not uncommon to see young girls with short hair (myself included) in part because I guess it was considered sensible and unfussy. Now, few people dare cut their DDs hair, even if they or their DD want it, because they're scared she won't be 'girly' enough and won't fit in, and I expect now even less so because they'll worry people might think their child is trans just because she has short hair!

VickyEadie · 10/10/2018 20:29

the idea that this movement is 'challenging gender' by completely reinforcing it is one of the single most wicked lies I can think of.

THIS>

BlackeyedSusan · 10/10/2018 21:25

gosh, I must have been a boy as a child then? quite a few people thought I was a boy. some boys thought I was a boy. I was called sonny, and talked to about football.

no, I am me, I lkie the things I like, it is called personality. all being different and all, at least we used to be, now we seem to be being forced into rigid stereotypes again.

speakingwoman · 10/10/2018 21:28

Well said Mrs Pratchett

borntobequiet · 10/10/2018 21:32

I was a standard issue tomboy as a child and no one turned a hair. It was normal.
Gwen Raverat wrote a lovely account of her childhood in Cambridge, Period Piece. Well worth a read.

MagicMix · 10/10/2018 22:38

Ugh can someone write a book where a little girl doesn't want to behave or dress in stereotypically feminine ways and then at the end her family realise that girls can do and be whatever they want.

beeefcake · 10/10/2018 22:45

Ffs we are one step away from "DH does all the housework do you think he wants to be a woman"

LuggsaysNotaWomen · 10/10/2018 22:47

My cousin was a football mad tomboy when she was little. She's now a very feminine presenting lesbian, I dread to think what would have become of her if she'd been born ten years later.

Artesia · 10/10/2018 22:50

MagicMix- that reminds me of an awesome t shirt I saw a girl wearing the other day. It was pink and flowery and said “Today i want to be a --princess-- engineer”. Meant to check where she got it and whether they made one in my size

frazzled1 · 10/10/2018 22:54

Franklin D Roosevelt, 1880s.

We're not targetting children - honest!
Gileswithachainsaw · 10/10/2018 22:55

What the fuck did I just read....

Utter bullshit full of stereo types.

Kr1stina · 10/10/2018 23:00

Watchthepotatoesboil - that video is terrifying . How can anyone be quite so stupid?

Anyone with half a brain can see that children who object to hair slides or tight clothing probably have sensory issues. They are not trans.

No wonder so many kids with autism are targeted by these people.

AspieAndProud · 10/10/2018 23:00

Xir Arthur Conan Doyle didn’t just like fairies, xe actually believed in them.

newtlover · 10/10/2018 23:07

love the reviews!

SignMeUp · 10/10/2018 23:29

Here's more: Just run away from home to find your star family! www.heartsparkpress.com/product/the-girl-from-the-stars-print-edition/

stonesandsticks · 11/10/2018 09:50

This is actually dangerous shit.

My friends's DD has never liked stereotypically 'girly' things. She likes to have short hair because it's more practical for the sports she does, she is competitive, she has a muscular physique. Very much like her mum (my friend). She has never shown any signs of being unhappy with her body. People at school etc have started to say she's like a boy, because she likes the stuff they expect boys to like. She has been looking online and found some of this shit. So now she's talking about wanting to change her name etc, take drugs to disrupt puberty etc. Yes, there is a chance that as an adult she may decide that she feels she has grown up in the wrong body and she might want to take steps to change things. Or she may just be a confident woman who does not feel the need to conform to gender stereotypes, like her mum. But these sort messages to children, and some people in schools etc, are making her think that the answer is to make changes now that will impact all her future relationships, her fertility, her mental health etc. What is wrong with the message that everyone can wear what they like and enjoy the hobbies/toys etc that they like regardless of sex?

newtlover · 11/10/2018 09:52

they are going to have more reviews than sales Grin

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