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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women's place in the House of Lords right now

90 replies

TerfedOff · 10/10/2018 16:22

We are delighted to be in the House of Lords for a meeting to discuss the #GRAconsultation There will be no films of the event but you can follow #WPUKintheHouse

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heresyandwitchcraft · 10/10/2018 18:32

Oh my God! Amazing! Well done WPUK! Thank you thank you!
And huge thanks to Baroness Winterbourne Star Flowers Gin

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 10/10/2018 18:37

JOY!

I'm so happy those lovely woman at Women's Place UK pulled this off. Genius

Mytholmroyd · 10/10/2018 18:37

Well done WPUK! Love you all Flowers

HandsOffMyRights · 10/10/2018 18:39

Thank you. Wonder what 'uber feminist' Featherstone thinks!

OvaHere · 10/10/2018 18:42

A fantastic step forward. Well done WPUK.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 10/10/2018 18:45

some brilliant tweets under that hashtag

Women's place in the House of Lords right now
Littlemouseroar · 10/10/2018 19:14

So pleased about this. Coming on here was getting upsetting. (Wonders if I can get to see my MP...)

Deliriumoftheendless · 10/10/2018 19:34

Well done for making this happen.

At some point, simply tweeting #transphobia will not stand up to sensible, evidence backed discussion. Now people are listening.

Poppyred85 · 10/10/2018 19:44

Brilliant news, just what I needed after reading the twitter feed on the FPFW Metro add.
Listening to the news earlier I wondered if the judgement from the Supreme Court regarding the case of the “gay cake” would help us. I missed who was speaking but they summed up the judgement as being that the decision was about freedom of speech and freedom not to have to be compelled to support a belief they did not agree with and that to do so does not constitute discrimination. Looks into the Article 9 bit well I think?

ChattyLion · 10/10/2018 19:48

FlowersFlowersFlowersFlowersFlowersTeam Reality absolutely smashing it today!!
Fantastic, amazing, democratic work.
So happy to see Peers doing their proper job, unlike that utter shower of ‘our’ elected representatives next door with fingers in their ears parroting ‘TWAW! TWAW!‘ any time we try to engage with them about the issues for women. It has been years now.
Feels like the grownups have finally arrived. Thank fuck.

Wish we could all be there to cheer you on!StarGinGlitterball

littlbrowndog · 10/10/2018 19:51

🔥🔥🔥on fire women

Melamin · 10/10/2018 19:56

This is great.

Well done WPUK Grin

citiesofbismuth · 10/10/2018 20:03

😀 wow, a breakthrough? Thank you to the ppl involved for everything they're doing. I was starting to lose hope.

LizzieSiddal · 10/10/2018 20:36

Thank you, you’re all stars!

pombear · 10/10/2018 20:45

Fantastic! I feel like running around all the various people and groups who are building momentum and noise about this right now and giving them a virtual hug (obvs with their permission and consent!).

From those like Sarah Ditum, Julie Bindel, and lots of others who've been speaking about this for years when lots of us weren't listening properly.

To FPFW, ManFriday, WPUK, Standing for Women, WNTT, DrRadFem, Julia Long, Anne Ruzylo, boodleoops, Janice Turner, Jean Hatchet, James Kirkup, Andrew Gilligan, SwearyG, Ruth Serwotka, Lucy Masoud, Jana Cornel, Hadley Freeman, Graham Lineham...there's just too many to name.

And a virtual hug to the person who put a FPFW postcard through my door last week (I think we may accidentally exchange cards, leafleting in the same area!).

Every action, every word, every conversation whether it's in the House of Lords or to your neighbour.

Shining daylight on an issue we were told in no uncertain terms not to talk about.

It needs talking about.

UrsulaPandress · 10/10/2018 20:47

More balls than Millwall.

Catmint · 10/10/2018 20:58

Well done, and thank you.

theOtherPamAyres · 10/10/2018 21:08

It looks like Their Lordships were left in no doubt of the mismanagement of the Reform of the GRA by the Women's & Equalities Committee:

  • the deliberate suppressing written evidence from women's organisations
  • the reliance on half-arsed research from dubious sources
  • the significance and weight given to a lobby group with a particular agenda
  • the design of consultation instrument that gave rise to suspicion about whether the Parliamentary Committee was putting even more hurdles in the way of women's voices.

Fingers are pointing in the direction of the people who were supposedly looking out for women, but who were acting against their interests all along.

Shame on them.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 10/10/2018 21:17

I wonder what will happen now.

arranfan · 10/10/2018 21:18

OK, I'm a little concerned about this tweet:

A lot of ‘evidence’ that is being referred to in relation to #GRAconsultation is poorly sourced, referenced, constructed. It is circular and produced by people with a specific agenda #WPUKintheHouse

twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK/status/1050043036741365761

Do they want to hear from ordinary women, or not?

And, I blame the shoddy EHRC guidance on making it difficult to give references and evidence that withstands scrutiny.

Melamin · 10/10/2018 21:26

arranfan - can you explain a bit further?

arranfan · 10/10/2018 21:34

To me, normally, if I give references or evidence, it's to research papers, systematic reviews, official sources of data/statistics etc.

I'm responding to this consultation as an individual. For once, I'm not expecting to provide a reference for every statement nor to back up my discussion of various scenarios. E.g., I'd like to discuss the number of transgender prisoners who might need to be transferred to female prison estate if Self-ID becomes more popular, but those statistics don't exist as the MoJ doesn't collect them.

FemmeFatalist · 10/10/2018 21:35

Will there be any kind of report or minutes from the meeting published? I would like to show them to my MP.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 10/10/2018 21:36

I see what's happened I think, the hashtag at the bottom is who it's for, they are not complaining about WPUK's evidence but that the GRA consultation has been set up by a group with an agenda.

arranfan · 10/10/2018 21:47

I didn't think they were complaining about WPUK but about the quality of the submissions so far - but, without an identified speaker, and without saying if they mean evidence from organisations and/or individuals, it's pretty unhelpful.