Third of girls harassed in school uniform

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This is fucking shocking. What is our society doing to girls and young women?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-45777787

Well think how long girls in school uniform have been used in all kinds of pornographic images. Last week I replied to a thread in Feminist Chat mentioning school uniform and anime school uniform sexy Halloween costumes from Amazon came up on the feed below the thread. As girls we were harassed in school uniform in the ‘80s, I’m sure it’s no different now. To be honest I’m surprised anyone would be shocked, women and girls are never left alone.

THIS IS WHY WE NEED SINGLE SEX SPACES!!!!!!!

I'm surprised it's that low.

To be honest I'm surprised it's that low, my DD and her friends have regularly experienced this since about age 13. It's grim.

I am very surprised its that low as well

Having said that maybe its changed since i were a lass

But a third is still dreadfully shocking!!

My girls both wear trousers. Didn't stop some perv waylaying them on the way home from school. DD2 was 11
She shouted "fuck off " at him as they ran away.

Proud

I’m not shocked, I am sickened.

So awful. Again, I'm also surprised it's that low.

It was so bad when I was a girl, I customised my uniform skirts so they were grazing my ankles and wore my jumper so baggy you could have fitted two of me in it. It still didn't stop the harrassment.

I had hoped that today's girls wouldn't have to deal with this shit.

Mind you, I still get harrassed and I'm forty-fucking-five.

How the BBC can report on this and then dismiss women's concerns about men being in our safe spaces I do not know.

I asked my DD whether boys still pinged bra straps, and she said no, so I said that was good, but she went on to say "they just ask us for blow jobs in the corridors" .

She's skinny and straight up and down and still looks fairly childlike - no way she would be mistaken for a woman but men shout and leer.

Another one astonished it's that low.

I suspect that many girls do not recognise it for what it is. Low level abuse has been normalised

midge

Dd certainly isnt aware of stares or comments or car horns and she is 16 now...still in her bubble

I suspect that many girls do not recognise it for what it is. Low level abuse has been normalised

Yeah this is why the figures will be lower than expected. I don't even register it half the time and despite having just turned 12 there's alot if behaviour ( just in general) that dd just shrugs off/rolls eyes and sees as normal.

Sadly despite owning and sometimes wearing trousers her school skirt is the classic no roll tartan monstrosity that is basically the uniform shop version if the Catholic school girl costume.

She hasnt said anything yet but if it hasnt happened already i know it's just matter of time. Have already seen a man turn around to look as she walks past

I was out with a friend and his daughter a few weeks ago. She's 12. She's tall attractive but she's 12 and she looks 12.

I saw someone eyeing her up and down but he was too far away to say anything.

I think in future I'm just going to shout something out. My daughter is also 12 and something of a blossoming radfem so she doesn't take kindly to knowing this stuff happens. Fortunately she still looks younger so it doesn't seem to have happened yet.

Not surprised.
I remember it happening to me, especially when walking home in my PE skirt after sports practice.
It started around aged 14 peaked late twenties / early thirties and is less now, but I have developped quite a good death stare.

I was once walking down a reasonably busy street after school so in uniform and obviously under 16, when a smart car pulled up next to where I was walking, a man opened the car door and asked if he could give me a lift somewhere. It scared me shitless.

This really angered me this morning.
I'm definitely going to equip DD with some choice swear words if she feels the need to use them.
And some school shoes she can run in.

When I look back on the 'sexy schoolgirl' themed nights at uni and even some hen nights it really makes me cringe.

I suspect that many girls do not recognise it for what it is. Low level abuse has been normalised

I wonder if it's that as I would have expected higher figure.

SophoclesTheFox
Me too. Had a big below knee A line skirt & I never took my baggy jumper off either, even when hot. I reached puberty at 10 and my boobs were quite large.
I got flashed at when I was still at primary by a man standing next to me with his erect dick out when I was crossing the road to get to school. There was no-one else around.
I ran all the way to school and they called my Mum and the Police.
I remember I was terrified walking the same route for ages afterwards, in case I saw him again.
I also remember being stared at and catcalled loads of times on the way home from school, always by blokes in cars. I think it happened to everyone I knew. Properly threatening when you were alone.
Speaking to my nieces, absolutely nothing has changed. In fact, it sounds worse.

My DD goes to a school with no uniform but we are always getting emails about flashers and men following girls back from swimming. I have asked my DD, 17, and she says she’s never been harassed that she’s aware of but she wears headphones constantly so a lot of girls don’t hear it. She’s autistic too so keeps her head down and often isn’t sure of other people’s intentions etc

Discussing this story on Jeremy Vine today R2 12-2pm

Early on when dating my husband, we walked past a couple of men in a parked van shouting leery things at school girls aged about 12-14.

My husband walked right up to the passenger window, and indicated for the bloke to roll the window right down, which he did. My chap fixed him right in the eye and asked him if he and his mate were ‘paedos?’
Van-men started to mumble something but my chap cut them off with ‘You are shouting sexual abuse at kids, if you aren’t a paedo, you need to stop. If you are a paedo, I need to stop you.’

They couldn’t drive away fast enough.

‘Dear reader, I married him’

Not sure if school uniform is the determining factor. DD travelled to school by tube, sometimes in Uniform, but often, because of sports training, not.

She ended up pretty streetwise, with a good death stare. There was police involvement with a friend who was being stalked on her way to school, and plenty of school warnings about flashers and men offering lifts. But I suspect nearby schools without uniforms had any fewer problems.

I wonder where all the posters on Mumsnet who believe that 13/14 year old girls look like 18 years are now?

It's probably why most sixth forms have a non uniform policy.

I personally think the figure is higher.

It is calling on bystanders to challenge harassment when they see it.

From the article.

Really?

It's men who do this. What should be discussed is why men do this.

True enough.

I supposed the school uniform almost negates the excuse of I thought she was older honest guv because clearly they are still at school.

It's not the real problem though - that's general street harassment that is directed at girls and women. Does highlights it's not what is being worn style or coverage and a young age isn't any kind of protection.