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Stonewall Champion School - HT asks 'what safeguarding concerns?

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HandsOffMyRights · 05/10/2018 11:42

So my son's Stonewall Champion school has replied to me after I raised concerns about Stonewall. He said he'd look into it and came back to me asap (possibly after a quick Google)

HT says it is proud to be an inclusive school and then sent me several negative news stories around TransgenderTrend (after I suggested these as an alternative)

Next steps? Lisa Muggeridge, I need you!

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HandsOffMyRights · 29/10/2018 16:28

Thanks. I want to send the materials back, highlighting my concerns.
Here is a work sheet

Stonewall Champion School - HT asks 'what safeguarding concerns?
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HandsOffMyRights · 29/10/2018 16:30

Note the ref to the EA conveniently misses off the word surgery.

No wonder schools are confused.

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loveyouradvice · 29/10/2018 16:30

Flowers handsoff

Indeed courage calls to courage.... WELL DONE
Huge respect for all you are doing

And @langcleg ... I see from the Guardian article in May this was meant to happen - did it???

The EHRC is planning to issue guidance of its own next month, something Birkenshaw welcomes. “Schools want to support the transgender young person, but at the same time they’ll be reflecting on how other children may feel, on how staff are going to feel and parents.”

HandsOffMyRights · 29/10/2018 16:33

It boils my blood to picture Bradley and Challenor writing their fantasies and schools teaching this without question.

Children from a young age believing in gender, not sex, that is assigned at birth.
That anybody questioning the trans world is transphobic. That they only question because they fear trans people.

I don't want to single my child out but how can I let him sit through these lies?

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HandsOffMyRights · 29/10/2018 16:35

RealGhouls

I think this is the resource/glossary you critiqued upthread.

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drspouse · 29/10/2018 16:47

Off the top of my head concerns that are specific to a boys' school are:
Are their resources following NHS best practice (watch and wait)?
Are their resources going to be telling lies and upsetting children who have a disorder of sexual development (i.e. are intersex)?
Do they imply (yes they do) that boys who fancy boys and like feminine things are trans rather than gay?
What about boys who have ASD - there is huge evidence that the emphasis on stereotyped feminine preferences = you are a girl means boys with ASD will be confused due to their literal thinking.
If they will be admitting girls who identify as boys - what about the existing boys' privacy and the girls' safety including protection from sexual abuse and pregnancy?
Do they have any idea how ill advised it is to report suicide statistics like that (let along WRONG, see the GIDS figures of 1%).
And then the whole "don't tell the parents" thing.
And the science (no such thing as a pink brain).

HandsOffMyRights · 29/10/2018 16:56

Thanks Loveyour I'm definitely 'known' at the school now.

Dr thanks. I will be compiling another letter..
Trying to find the article (was it Andrew Gillighan in The Times) from a couple of weeks ago where the suicide stats were debunked by the NHS.

Can anybody link me to the stats pls? Wasn't the orginal figure derived from a Stonewall 'survey' of 18 adult emloyees?

They're getting away with this in schools up and down the country? This remains unchallenged by so many schools, which belive Stonewall to be an authority on all LGBTQ issues

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scepticalwoman · 29/10/2018 16:59

No guidance as yet from the EHRC. As they've already been found to have issued misleading advice and have had to withdraw it, I bet there's now a kerfuffle about how to meet the demands for mixed sex spaces while complying with education law that specifies sex segregation for children over the age of 8. Not to mention how self ID translates in schools and the obligation for schools to recognise competing rights of protected groups. Plus of course increased public awareness / publicity that the government is funding groups demanding the erosion of single sex showers, changing rooms and toilets, trying to reduce the safeguarding of children and advocating removing parental rights.

OP - it is worth noting that the National Association of Headteachers has a dire trans policy - you know the 'if any women teachers are unhappy with sharing showers, changing rooms and toilets with the 55 year old born male head of PE who self ID last week as a woman, then the women need re-educating'. So if he's gone to his professional association, that's what's he's been told.

Have a look at the draft guidance for sex ed - critiqued here:
www.transgendertrend.com/rse-government-consultation/

There's some useful information in this about a school's responsibility to ensure that all organisations / speakers credentials are checked and that all materials used comply with safeguarding guidelines - schools have to check this and as the trans lobby groups training in schools evidently breach this, there's an evident concern.

HandsOffMyRights · 29/10/2018 17:14

Thanks Sceptical now that is interesting from the HT association - and awful.

Unfortunately, he's denounced TT because of Schools Week's (biased) coverage.

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OldCrone · 29/10/2018 20:27

Unfortunately, he's denounced TT because of Schools Week's (biased) coverage.

That's poor. Is he totally unable to think for himself?

Biologifemini · 29/10/2018 20:31

Ask the HT how he will feel when he eventually gets sued by someone’s parents for allowing a male to be in a females changing room.
Nothing even has to happen. But there shouldn’t be mixed sexes facilities at a secondary or primary school.
When it comes to money they might see sense.

AspieAndProud · 29/10/2018 20:40

If it’s a single sex school what do they do if somebody transitions?

ChattyLion · 29/10/2018 21:17

OP I thought that there might be some government advice around the Equality Act that might be helpful in relation to this issue but I looked it up and they refer schools to GIRES Shock

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/315587/Equality_Act_Advice_Final.pdf

Verify2Terrify · 29/10/2018 23:51

OP, I've sent you a PM. Smile

HandsOffMyRights · 30/10/2018 07:50

Thanks - girls are in the 6th form, so you're absolutely right that these girls could be faced with a male in their changing rooms.

I have no idea what the policy is re transitionjng students, but will find out.
If a student is gay then this matetial may well have them thinking that they're trans by the end of it.

I don't get why teachers can't call bullshit on this? They trust Stonewall, which is firmly established in school, but if Stonewall said the earth was flat would they teach it?

The wording is deliberately designed to confuse. Bullshit baffles brains. If anyone questions it, they'll be forever dubbed transphobic. It's a win win for Stonewall. They can get some new trans recruits and the money and praise (for bring so inclusive) keeps on rolling.

It's bringing this world of suicide threats, of gender 'feelings' into my child's world. I don't want Aimee Challenor's beliefs taught as fact to children.

Thanks Verity Smile

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SuburbanRhonda · 30/10/2018 08:22

And @langcleg ... I see from the Guardian article in May this was meant to happen - did it???

I spoke to someone at the EHRC over half term after speaking to the head of practice at the Sex Education Forum (a charity) and they said the guidance is coming out soon and will explain in what way the protected characteristic of gender reassignment applies to school children.

When I asked them that same question on the phone they were unable to answer - they simply said, “Yes it does apply to children” with no explanation as to how, and that I would have to wait until the guidance comes out.

They did take my email address and agreed to let me know when that happens but I’m not holding my breath.

SuburbanRhonda · 30/10/2018 08:24

Btw OP, I don’t trust Stonewall further than I could throw them and I have the ear of our HT as a safeguarding lead, so no way is that shit coming into our school if I have anything to do with it Smile

HandsOffMyRights · 30/10/2018 08:30

Suburban - it gives me hope that this isn't reaching your HT. When I think of Stonewal I see this image of them. How dare these men's feelz come before safeguarding.

I'm preparing to go back to him to challenge again.

The ERHC stuff is interesting. Yes, why the hell does gender reassignment apply to kids? They don't know. They're making this stuff up because trusted advisors like Bradley snd Challenor are making it up.

This state sactioned child grooming is sickening.

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HandsOffMyRights · 30/10/2018 08:40

And here they are. The qualified parents, teachers, safeguarding leads, women...

Oh hang on...

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OldCrone · 30/10/2018 08:43

Yes, why the hell does gender reassignment apply to kids?

I'm not a legal expert, but the protected characteristic of gender reassignment applies to those who are 'proposing to undergo' gender reassignment. Could this not also apply to children?

LangCleg · 30/10/2018 08:45

Yes, we're still waiting on EHRC.

OP, I think Bowl's advice is best at this point:

Send an email reminding them of the concerns you’ve raised and reminding them that if there is ever a serious case review you will have warned them about each of them in writing (imply without stating that you have the paper trail.)

You've given them your concerns. They haven't addressed them specifically. You might also add in a bit that you aren't currently satisfied that the school is Working Together compliant on the basis of its adopting of this guidance and this may result in increased risk for all children, especially those who are questioning their gender. Since this is the case, you may need to take it up with the governors.

HandsOffMyRights · 30/10/2018 09:47

Thanks.
I've also just completed the Govt's RSE survey and there was some sturdy guidance from Transgender Trend. It took around an hour to do, so allow time for this one (flashbacks to GRA)

www.transgendertrend.com/rse-government-consultation/

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HandsOffMyRights · 30/10/2018 09:58

Can anybody tell me why the Stonewall guidance is endorsed by Barnado's? Does that have a reputation for drinking the Kool Aid too?

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Spasm0dic · 30/10/2018 21:37

I’ve contacted one of the governors at my lo’s school, who sounds supportive and has a lot of clout. I think it was before these people tried to influence the school, but at parents’ evening I will be checking how the land lies.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 31/10/2018 13:19

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