Article in Daily Telegraph - Parents who won't their son wear a skirt may be referred to social services

[MrsSlocombesPussy]

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/10/04/parents-wont-let-son-wear-skirt-may-have-referred-social-services/

Hope this link works

Beginning of the week I'd lost all hope, women are screwed.
The Tories, Lib dems, and Labour have all lost the plot .

However today I have a little hope, things seem to have changed, another news story on what the actualities of this ideology mean.

On the downside my DP thinks it's got to be a spoof.......

No surprises this is Brighton and Hove.

Another scenario outlined in Brighton and Hove City Council’s guidance document is parents who contact the school to ask: “My daughter doesn’t want a boy changing next to her, what if he looks at her body?”

It explains that in such a case, “it would not be appropriate to remove the trans pupil from the changing rooms”.

Instead, the school should focus on increasing their “training and awareness raising” to ensure that all pupils understand that a transgender girls is a “real girl”.

That’s terrifying.

I wouldn’t be happy for Ds to wear a skirt to school – home would be fine – mainly as I’d worry about people presuming a particular path.

DH had issue at work recently a transwoman wanted female name and pronouns in day to day interactions but paper work left in male name. The guidelines said a formal declaration was needed by trans person to change paper work – so they told them how to do that and left them to it.

A colleague in a different department having never spoken to anyone in DH department or transwoman in question went straight to upper management complaining about transphobia – as this person’s paper work hadn’t been changed. Took weeks to sort – ending up in same position as start but with everyone slightly piss off and fair bit of time taken up.

If schools aren’t keeping parents informed on top – which seems to be advocated – it’s hard to see how that’s in the child’s best interest.

A few years ago parents would have had SS involvement if they did let their son wear a skirt, or let him call himself a girl.

It's odd that this is a story now, given that various local authorities have been using the appalling Allsorts advice for a while. This is exactly what Stephanie Davies-Arai has been banging on about and why she produced her own Transgender Trend schoolkit. I'm guessing that the Telegraph have suddenly cottoned on to the fact that trans issues are a big story and decided to draw attention to them. That's all good, of course - the more people who know about this stuff, the better.

And coming back to this - "Instead, the school should focus on increasing their “training and awareness raising” to ensure that all pupils understand that a transgender girls is a “real girl” - it's insane, isn't it? It's deliberately indoctrinating children into believing a lie. It's up there with some of the nonsense that faith schools teach children - except this has massive consequences for girls' personal safety.

Sheila Fogarty on LBC is going to be discussing this today. I think she said from 3pm.

I wouldn’t be happy for Ds to wear a skirt to school – home would be fine – mainly as I’d worry about people presuming a particular path

What path would that be?

I do wish that those of you who hate skirts could for once pass up the chance to parade your own prejudices. There has been the usual (untrue) guff about skirts being cold in winter.

It makes me very sceptical about the "people should wear what they want" line given it seems to be impossible to have a thread like this without the snide comments and the trumpeting about how you (general you) never wear skirts.

'Ds' is 'Darling Son'. Poster is saying she wouldn't be happy for her son to wear a skirt to school.

Presumably schools cannot ban girls from wearing trousers if parents cannot ban sons from wearing skirts?

What path would that be?

I do wish that those of you who hate skirts could for once pass up the chance to parade your own prejudices. There has been the usual (untrue) guff about skirts being cold in winter.

Eh?
I have nothing against skirts.

My DC secondary school allows girls to ware trousers. DD1 chooses to wear skirts. DD2 wants both skirt and trouser options allowed at her primary so has them both in her room to choose herself.

Ds, dear Son, has never asked for skirts - though if he did he could ware them at home I wouldn't allow them to be worn at school.

If I allowed my son to wear a skirt to school -I'd worry DS - dear Son - would find certain expectations would be placed on him if he wore a skirt to school - that he must think a certain way and must be guide down a certain path that it would be made hard to change mind and even go back to trousers.

Sadly, many people do seem to have an idea a boy in a skirt is no longer a boy somehow and that's the path and expectations I can't control.

I ‘d also worry he’d find like DH transwoman colleague that paper work is being changed without their knowledge causing them problems because someone else assumes it best for you.

There has been the usual (untrue) guff about skirts being cold in winter
I really don't think I was imagining all the times I was freezing cold as a child who was forced to wear a skirt in very cold weather. Or the fact that virtually all women where I live (apart from the orthodox Jewish women) choose to wear trousers in the winter, even though many wear dresses and skirts in the summer.
As for people being able to wear what they want, my kids wore what I wanted them them to wear. That's the way parenting works in my house, and I would have been rather pissed off if SS's or some teacher had stuck their noses in. I did have a gender non conforming son, and he wore boys clothes outside the home (which he has absolutely no problem with now).

Jesus - I remember playing hockey in the snow in a stupid gym skirt and t-shirt. Bloody, utterly freezing.

Will any boy who wants to wear the skirt uniformity be forced the indignity of a gym skirt?

Being discussed on LBC now.

I used to stand at a bus stop in all weathers with no shelter for years in a skirt - I just wore thick tights don’t remember being very cold even in the snow.

Did hate gym skirts but my children have all had same options at their schools - shorts or jogging bottoms.

DD2 does prefer trousers at school but I wonder of this is because few years ago she was very upset because she was told she needed under shorts under her summer dress or school skirt. She has undershorts now, tights, socks trousers and skirts – full range of options but she’s not worn a summer dress since though the option is there.

but I wonder of this = I wonder about this.

I do wish that those of you who hate skirts could for once pass up the chance to parade your own prejudices. There has been the usual (untrue) guff about skirts being cold in winter.

It makes me very sceptical about the "people should wear what they want" line given it seems to be impossible to have a thread like this without the snide comments and the trumpeting about how you (general you) never wear skirts.

The 'oh skirts' in my post wasn't an anti-skirt statement (more a comment on how they seem to be seen as a trans-formative article of clothing) and we did campaign at school to wear trousers because my school was particularly strict and we weren't allowed to wear tights! So it genuinely was cold in winter -- although I've never held this against skirts. As it happens I love a skirt - I wish I actually looked good in one I'd wear it with pleasure as I did in my twenties. Additionally I genuinely don't give a damn what others wear.

Skirts thank you Lass for your robust defence of them.

Did anyone else listen to the Shelagh Fogarty programme?

What would happen if parents were referred to SS? Any social workers on here, to advise/comment please?

FloralBunting missed it. What was said?