Article in Daily Telegraph - Parents who won't their son wear a skirt may be referred to social services

[MrsSlocombesPussy]

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/10/04/parents-wont-let-son-wear-skirt-may-have-referred-social-services/

Hope this link works

@LassWiADelicateAir yes I was speaking of the hypothetical parents I am aware the article is about the general scenarios rather than a specific case.

Ugh, some of those comments. At least half think the problem is gay people, or that a boy wearing a skirt is outrageous, or that being trans is ‘early sexualising’. Very few seem to care about cutting off parents, or long term outcome for the boy, or disadvantage to girls

Eh? Where are you getting that from? There are 120 comments and I spotted 3 that said anything resembling what you suggest. There were plenty who brought up the point about girls.

Why is Brighton Council asking random callers about their gender identity? WTF has it to do with them? I do hope plenty of callers point out that 'assigned at birth' is bollocks. What a bizarre question.

Give the boy a kilt.

Why is Brighton Council asking random callers about their gender identity? WTF has it to do with them?

"The bins haven't been emptied for weeks"

"Thanks for letting us know, and also what are your pronouns?"

???

Are Brighton and Portland, Oregon twinsies, and if so when is someone going to create a Portlandia-type show about Brighton?

(If this already exists, links please.)

"Training and awareness" for girls who don't want to undress in front of a boy? That's institutional bullying. Why are we teaching girls that they have no right to boundaries - to say no to undressing in front of boys (no matter what they call themselves).

I've not read all the comments but I think this one is really important. No less than institutional bullying going on at a national scale.

actually think that a boy wanting to wear a skirt isn't a problem, as long as everyone understands that boys can wear skirts and still be boys

This, in a nutshell, for me. I have boys and would and have let them where whatever they want, in reason. When they were luttle they dressed up in princess clothes and we had every toy under the sun, including dols house, pushchair, cookers etc as well as everything else. They wore tutus and stripes tights as the whim took them. Now you'd struggle to get them out of tracksuit bottins of course, but i dont think thats any different from most teen/preteen girls. Tbh now I'd probably have to think twice though as I'd worry that they'd be judged or labelled as trans and artificially pushed down that crazy pathway. We're supposed to be teaching them to break down stupid gender stereotypes, not reinforce them.

I remember very clearly a conversation with DH about the fantasy lives of daydreaming teenagers. He said that generally in class he paid about 25% attention to whatever the teacher was saying, 25% on maintaining awareness of what other kids around him were doing in case there was some interesting mucking around to join in with, and the remaining brainpower was generally spent theorising on how best to get an opportunity to see the inside of the girls changing room when it was in-use (hiding in ceiling or in a locker with eye holes. Invisibility potions. Never acted on). He was reasonably sure that this was a fairly normal balance of attention for a typical 16 year old.

Current 16 year old must be delighted to have the solution handed to them on a plate.

Lass - this sort of thing suggests to me that some of the commentators are sexist and/or homophobic:
-creating the depraved world being fashioned for young children
-Those advocating this filth are filth themselves
-Time to recriminalise these activities?
-too many of our politicians and society leaders are actually girls in disguise
-This is merely sexualising a child, which will be sexually aware at a younger age.
-Brighton is the gay capital of the UK - sigh!

That means big burly Scottish men must at once be forced to stop wearing kilts 😶😊

@RayneDash - much better to call for uniform guidelines to recommend that all schools in the UK should include a kilt option which is equally acceptable for both male and female pupils.

Let's hope he doesn't grow up to become a vicar & wear a dress every day.
What would his parents do then?

cor DodoPatrol, are those actual quotes from the comments?

If so.....blimey

the only social media I use is Mumsnet, and pretty much only FWR, so I rarely see any actual trabsphobia or homophobia

it's pretty horrible when you do see it isn't it?

Oh. skirts. In my day us girls petitioned annually to be allowed to wear trousers because we loathed skirts (disclaimer we were NORTHERN and as we all know that makes us the ANGRY kind of woman) and we were never allowed to while we were at school. We wore skirts under duress - i feel so invalidated

hand to brow diva swoon

Re comments - well it is the Telegraph. I once made the mistake of reading the comments under an article by Isobel Oakshott. They were vilely salacious and slavering. One was a remark on how fertile she looked when on the telly recently

But this bullshit raises my blood pressure:

Another scenario outlined in Brighton and Hove City Council’s guidance document is parents who contact the school to ask: “My daughter doesn’t want a boy changing next to her, what if he looks at her body?”

*It explains that in such a case, “it would not be appropriate to remove the trans pupil from the changing rooms”.

Instead, the school should focus on increasing their “training and awareness raising” to ensure that all pupils understand that a transgender girls is a “real girl”.

Yes girls - just you forget all that 'consent' nonsense

To be clear I say let boys wear skirts if they want (once subjected to what women experience in skirts they may change their minds) but be aware it is a normal item of clothing and not a magic garment which allows transformation from one type of person to another.

Yes, let boys wear skirts if they want, call them kilts if you must.

JK Rowling needs to write a new book: Harriet Potter and the magical skirt.

kilts aren't skirts technically - but they are pretty cool. But not with a shirt and tie.

I suspect boys won't be too keen to wear skirts when it gets cold or if the other kids do what they used to in the old days - trip you up to see your knickers.

The Emperor was surely wearing real clothes in the story ??

Oh god, I made the mistake of reading Brighton's trans-inclusion toolkit.

There are no issues under child protection or safeguarding law or practice specific to trans children and young people aside from what is in place to keep all pupils safe. For example, there is nothing to prohibit trans children and young people using the changing rooms or toilets which reflect their gender identity."

transfigurations.org.uk/filestore/trans-inclusion-schools-toolkit-brighton.pdf

NO mention of keeping females safe (including trans boys).

Fucking gits. I'm feeling so depressed about this today, what can we do?

This was being discussed on Nick Ferrari's LBC radio show around 9.00 with a phone in.
Tara Hewitt came on to talk to defend it.
Nick gets it.
NF said monsieur, twice!

Yep, for the avoidance of doubt, those are all in the comments under that article, not my views.