National Autistic Society and Mermaids [Title edited by MNHQ]

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My friend just posted this on Facebook this morning. She isn't on MN so I have her permission to share. She would really like more people, especially people with ASD or who have children with ASD, to write to NAS thanking them for their willingness to listen and their agreement that Mermaids is not reputable.

This is really great news so please can we keep this bumped and shared. Thank you.

If posters on the SEN board would like to share that would also be great (if appropriate).

Dear XXXX ,

Thank you for your feedback regarding the Gender and autism page on our website.

I’m writing to let you know that I’ve raised your concerns regarding Mermaids UK, one of the organisations we link to on our Gender and autism page, with a number of teams within the National Autistic Society. In light of the concerns raised in your message, and of other feedback that we have received, we have decided to remove all links to Mermaids UK from our website, while we take the time to consult with relevant professionals and to reconsider which organisations we wish to place links to on our website.

As such, our Web Team are working to remove all links to Mermaids UK from our website as soon as possible. Please do be aware, however, that, as we are currently in the process of updating our website to reflect our new branding and organisational identity, it may take a few days for this to be actioned.

Thank you again for bringing this to our attention, and I hope that you are satisfied with the actions we are taking in light of the concerns that you have raised.

Kind regards,

National Autistic Society

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Datun I don’t even know what to say about that. It’s horrifying.

You can’t cure autism ffs.

The idea you would want to cure autism is pretty horrifying.

These male supremacist F4J woman-haters claim anything to further their mission to get women back in the kitchen. They say they are a Black woman, they've got an autistic daughter, they're a 'sex worker', they're a 'transwoman' - whatever it is, wherever they spot a thread they can pull to unravel the solidarity between women, they'll do it. They are obsessed narcissists with no human care or compassion.

Male entitlement and narcissistic injury with a long term plan.

The trans movement is in for it now. No one is more thorough than autistics. Those autistics at NAS will thoroughly research every single thing about transgenderism. There is no way they wont come across the truth. Thorough research together with hyper logic and minds that are unable to divert from the truth once they find it even if they wanted to , even if their life depends on it is very bad news for the trans movement

Those autistics at NAS will thoroughly research every single thing about transgenderism.

Yes you are right.. this is very familiar. They won't be satisfied until they are world class experts.

This is self-ID in Ireland.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385350-Meanwhile-in-Ireland-legal-wtfuckery

Threats to people who stand up to TRA.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3383616-Alison-Moyet?pg=6&order=

Symptoms? Wtf? It’s not a disease. Arseholes. Fuck this ableist bullshit.

DO NOT CLICK LiNKS on the below thread. TRA are harvesting data. Repeat the trans activists are harvesting data and doxxing many people. Be cautious about clicking links.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3381154-Posie-Parker-Doxed-Over-Night?msgid=81550237#81550237

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385418-Stonewall-Champion-School-HT-asks-what-safeguarding-concerns

DrEm long Twitter thread with thorough referencing:

"A detailed look at the U.K. Serious Case Review National Repository suggests to me that Susie Green of mermaids is making up statistics and in my opinion behaving unethically and in contradiction with the Samaritan guidelines around suicide.

This has come out of work @ AlfredBelpaire has done and privately shared with me. The 'stats' Susie Green and another Mermaids mum are pushing, the sensationalist Guardian article do NOT agree with the research by GIDS of the Tavistock and Portman.

The GIDS evidence base is here: gids.nhs.uk/evidence-base

GIDS at Tavistock & Port: 'suicide is extremely rare', Serious Case Review National Repository evidence shows suicide is very rare vs. GIRES: 84% trans youth attempt suicide, Guardian 84% trans attempt suicide, Susie Green: trans children or they will commit suicide

The methodology of the GIRES study is extraordinarily weak - an internet survey - it hasn't even bothered with control groups or exploring other factors, also it is over 18s only so why is mermaids & the Guardian using it to make claims about childhood mental health?

In GIRES own report it appears that they state they have done no analysis of the data and are presenting inaccurate figures - rounding up and down at will, or am I misreading it? With a topic such as youth suicide surely one would do everything to try and ensure good data sets?"

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1047870548968189952

Bbc 2 now

it was GIRES who claimed transitioning cures autism, I believe.

I don't suppose that anecdata was backed up by formal diagnosis of ASD by a specialist and reassessed post-treatment, was it? Or are we talking "Tumblr said I'm autistic and ooh look, now I'm all better" self-reporting here?

I'm not on Twitter but it would be great if someone could alert Lucy Bannerman or Sanchez Manning to this. Though I suspect all the journalists interested in reporting on this issue already lurk on Feminism Chat!

silentcrow Self diagnosis even. ‘Autistic traits’ is used an awful lot by those without an actual diagnosis

I'm confused. Why are there concerns over this organisation? Are they a criminal and discriminatory group?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385495-Politics-Live-now-on-BBC2?msgid=81552459#81552459

Why are there concerns over this organisation?

There is evidence that they are targeting ND children, usually lesbian girls, and for want of a better expression, brainwashing them into believing their struggle to fit in is because they are trans, and then pushing, hard, for medical intervention, overruling of parental rights and responsibilities, and allowing predatory males who have self IDd (different from someone diagnosed with gender dysphoria) access to vulnerable victims.

Please don’t ask us to repeat things already answered. Read the entire thread.

@Spirituallove ^ previous comment was to you.

Spirituallove it is quite clear that not only do you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, you have no intention of trying to find out.

Get your kicks elsewhere.

"If social services were more interactive to educate parents who showed signs of being transphobic,"

I dont understand. What are SS supposed to do.

As it happens my child is the same age as Susie Green of Mermaid's child. Between the ages of 2 and 8 mine was determined that she was a boy. Absolutely determined. We basically ignored it, let her play with whatever toys she wanted, wear her brother's cast offs, and play football after school. We made no attempt to deny her wishes nor to label her. Like the time honoured parental advice - the advice you hate being given - she grew out of it, and we had more or less forgotten it.

Susie Green appears to have taken a different tack, got involved in heated discussions with her husband about suitable toys, and made great efforts to support her child.

It appears that both (former) children are happy. I am more than content to be told that the reasons behind our young children's determination that they were the "wrong" gender had different causes. I would be unhappy though to be told that my parenting was inadequate or transphobic, and that Social Services should have been interactive in educating me.

If social services were more interactive to educate parents who showed signs of being transphobic, and there was more awareness of transexuality in the education system then organisations such as this wouldn't need to give support to trans children

1. can we have that definition of transphobia and what transphobia signs are first please?

2. why are we talking about trans being a thing over and above issues that make far more kids depressed, suicidal, have poor future outcomes due to educational needs not being spotted never mind catered for adequately, suffering due to poverty, lead to long term trauma from bullying?

This is all to do with where political agendas and self interest lies. Let's not pretend it's about the well being of all kinds. It's about the kids who have political usefulness for adults.

Gender stereotypes affect both girls and boys negatively. Yet we are pandering to an ideology which promotes gender stereotypes and theres no interest in legislation banning gross gendered advertising.

And that's before we start to talk about things like how 50% of the prison population is dyslexic Ffs.