Vast hairy prongs

[drradfem]

There are TAs on twitter accusing me of getting thrown out of an AWL meeting for laughing at Roz Kaveney describing being raped. This is obviously not true... listen to what we were actually laughing at and why we were asked to leave...

Also another clip of me asking about Jess Bradley, when I nearly got chucked out...

I was very taken with the woman shouting over you to object that you weren't being silenced. And that when you were urged to set up your own meeting and you pointed out that you weren't allowed to - it was easier for them to reject your (evidenced) reality and to rely upon their own.

Can you just remind me what AWL is?

Very glad to listen to those - you were voicing an opinion that many of us share and I don't believe anything you said was so extreme you should have been asked to leave.

Women aren't allowed to express an opinion in 2018 without people trying to silence them.

You and your abusive tape recorders, Venice!

We know you would never mock a survivor, never thee fear.

Can you just remind me what AWL is? Yes please.

AWL = Alliance for Workers’ Liberty (AWL)

Thanks for the evidence - saw this floating around the TRA accounts that most of us are blocked from, but with few likes or retweets. Assumed it was a lie so its great to have the evidence.

So they are liars as well as delusional?

AWL are a supposedly Marxist group, however none of them seem to have read Marx, Engels or understand materialism as a philosophy.

As far as I'm aware the AWL are mostly Trotskyists? If that is the case, I find it amusing that the entryists have become a victim idealist of entryism.

Quite ammusing really.

Also thank you for going to the meetings and challenging everything.

Hats of Venice!

The insanity of it makes my head explode but you always stay so clear and cogent.

You're like some sort of 1950's gin soaked detective with your tape recorder. I fully suspect to hear "This broad's wearing a wire! C'mere toots! Let Uncle Tony pat ya down good." At the next meeting

Oh dear. I scared myself then. I'm no Scorsese

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3300327-Feminists-Against-Censorship-Spearheaded-by-British-activists-Linda-Semple-and-Roz-Kaveney

Thanks for posting drradfem - I'm glad you have the opportunity to post here to refute the lies and smears being said elsewhere. Amazing how different reality looks when you compare what someone says happened, and what a recording demonstrates what actually happened.

Well done for having the foresight to record this knowing how it would be misrepresented elsewhere.

Honestly Venice, Jean - each week I am more and more in awe of you both.

Lucky someone accidentally left their recording device on to catch the evident bullshit that occurs each and every time eh? What were the chances of that?

@Molokonono .... it was nothing to do with me.... this is all Venice's brilliance. I am also in awe of her.

AWL are a supposedly Marxist group, however none of them seem to have read Marx, Engels or understand materialism as a philosophy.

All part of the looking glass world we find ourselves in, eh? Useless fucking idiots, aren't they? Perhaps they might read Engels on women one day?

Isn't there a picture of Owen Jones & Jess Bradley drinking champagne in first class train? #champagnecommunists?

Yes, there is that photograph! Scroll down:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3311038-Sky-News-9-30am-today-re-GRA?pg=7

Rob Noon of NUS said something bizarre recently as well.

communism is just politicised kindness

twitter.com/Rose_Of_Dawn/status/1045342598179811329

prof Michael Biggs (Oxford Sociology) said:

"I have entered this debate not because I am a feminist but because freedom of speech is one of the highest values of a democratic society, and the basic foundation of university life.
Transgender activism poses a grave threat to freedom of speech. I think of the young MPhil student who had to disguise herself to attend this [WPUK] meeting because she feared the reaction of fellow students. This is the generation that we have educated."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3257819-Michael-Biggs-Sociology-Dept-Oxford-Free-speech-at-Oxford-Do-women-have-the-right-to-meet-to-discuss-legislation

Rob Noon of NUS said something bizarre recently as well.

Rob Noon is very close to Jess Bradley in NUS, Action For Trans Health and personally.

Rose of Dawn,
'Radical far-left activists often co-opt unrelated movements to enforce their ideology on others. Here, I take a look at this phenomenon taking place in the trans community.'

Gulags being educational holiday camps.

Communism as politicised kindness.

I have to say, in the view of these young people, I do seem to need a lot of re-education. And an excision of everything I ever knew about history...I'm sure there's a targeted lobotomy for that. And, as ACTH were lobbying to be allowed to perform surgery on each other, I daresay that they've developed an infallible technique.

Just a thought - I have watched some of the fab speakers at meetings I haven't been able to attend, thanks to them being put online. Why on earth don't the other side of the debate put their meetings out for general viewing, given that it is the GC stance that is supposed to be so abhorrent?

If they are so sure of their stance, it would make sense for them to enable more people to see such talks and make up their own minds, don't you think? I can't possibly think why they would conduct all these events behind closed doors...

If they are so sure of their stance, it would make sense for them to enable more people to see such talks and make up their own minds, don't you think? I can't possibly think why they would conduct all these events behind closed doors...

That's a really good point.
Even the transcripts from the Westminster Policy Forum conference were held back.
It had really significant policy makers and influential politicians, senior public sector managers speaking.
I think Dr Nic Williams was able to get some released but it would have been far better to watch the speakers.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3268237-Westminster-Social-Policy-forum-today-Next-steps-for-transgender-Equality-WSPFEvents

There was another conference on recently organised by Jane Fae.
Dawn Butler was the keynote speaker.

I presume the other speakers were influential too?

From the Independent:
'Minority groups must stand together in the fight for one another's rights, the shadow secretary of state for women has said.

Dawn Butler used her keynote speech at the UK's first transgender conference, titled #StillHere, to speak of the importance of solidarity in the effort to advance transgender rights.

“I know that after this I’m going to get quite a lot of abuse,” the Labour MP said on Saturday, “but it’s nothing compared to what you get on a daily basis.”

This is what I learnt from talking to an anti-trans campaigner
She said: “You have to know that there is a flood of voices behind you… that’s here to stand up and support and stick up for your rights. Because without your rights I can’t have my rights and I quite like my rights and I’m still struggling to get my full rights."

“We have to fight for each other,” she added.

The conference aimed to provide a space where transgender people and allies could discuss prominent issues and network with one another.

Journalist and campaigner Jane Fae, who had the initial idea for the event, said she also hoped to “provide a boost to community spirits … after a year of unprecedented hostility towards the trans community.”

It covered topics including getting older while trans, sex while trans, policing, mental health, education and the Gender Recognition Act; legislation that, if passed, would make it easier for transgender people to change their legal gender." (cont)
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dawn-butler-transgender-uk-labour-intersectionality-rights-a8534761.html

It's good to hear it. Without the visuals it makes it more ridiculous