A startling bit of hypocrisy here

[OnceUponATimeInAmerica]

My first thread in here, and I am more than a little nervous about it, trying to avoid any MN transgressions, but have just stumbled on this startling/terrifying hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance. I can't find that there is a thread already, and apologise if I have missed it.

Hopefully the images attach. A tweet asking what women would do if there was a male curfew after 9pm, which in itself is not an unreasonable question. On the full thread, there are lots of suggestions from women, then a couple of men chime in with how shocked they are and why aren't women full of rage all the time. Finally, the response from the initial author saying 'we are'.

My eyes have just rolled back so fucking far, they've gone full circle. An intact adult male implies that he should be able to be out after 9pm in the event of a man curfew and that he is as enraged by male behaviour as adult females.

Stop the world, I want to get off.

To be honest Screamqueenz, I think they're both important points.

And I'm not sure the second would exist, if it wasn't for the first.

Wow, that is starting to look like victim blaming.
I got out of every situation by fighting back, either physically or verbally. Being belligerent? I hope it keeps working for you.

Don't get me wrong datum, I'm absolutely with you. I just totally missed the point of the original thread, so wasn't aware that we were discussing the gender issue, it honestly wasn't clear to those who don't know the individuals involved.
Back to lurking.....

I had this conversation with dp a while ago. He doesn't worry about going out alone late at night. The thought has never crossed his mind. And he didn't realise women felt the way they do. But it really fucked me off that I don't have that same privilege.

Godamit I've just realised it was a male bodied person that tweeted that 👿

It's not victim blaming. I'm saying that I'm lucky to feel as confident as I do walking around at night, and the fact that I do is a combination of personality and never having been seriously attacked. It's entirely understandable that many women don't feel confident at all, and they shouldn't be shamed for it.

Good for you having such a strong personality

Are you determined to pick a fight with almost everyone on this thread? I'm not going to engage any further.

I suspect some of the men replying may not know that Danielle is not really Danielle. But that is by the by.

My post was not about the risks to women of being out after dark and some men's naivety (faux or genuine). It was about the absolute jaw dropping disbelief I felt on seeing 'we are', from this beard wearing, penis bearing individual, who is one of the risks to being out in a dodgy location. I have nothing in common with DM, my anger is not the same. My anger is with not only the men in society who are violent rapists, but also with those men who are trying to co-opt my womanhood.

I may not be as coherent as many of the long time posters here, but hopefully you catch my drift.

And this is why we lurk rather than engage.

And I have probably tied myself in so many knots trying to stay within the rules that no one knows what the hell I am on about and that the original tweet was from a natal male who despite still retaining full male anatomy and a beard is trying to gaslight the world into believing they are female.

There, that'll probably get me banned!

Agreed, Once, the idea that Muscato is at the same risk as the average women is ridiculous, and I suspect that Muscato knows that as well as anyone else does. Their reasons for claiming otherwise I can't speculate on without running afoul of the commenting guidelines.

I completely agree OnceUponATimeInAmerica. It's jaw dropping. This male bodied individual threatened women with oral rape if they didn't agee they were a woman. Tweeted it whilst in a woman's shelter, on international women's day.

And now starts a thread appropriating women's fear of men.

Breathtaking.

I'm absolutely convinced that muscato is trolling to show up the reality of self id.

Once you are expressing yourself very well - don't worry!

Scream you asked people who aren't afraid to go out at night to explain why. They tried, and you said it sounded like victim blaming, which is unfair. Not one of us said anything that implied that. Indeed, I have also experienced incidents of being followed, pounced on, and someone trying to bundle me in to a car as well as your common or garden cat calling. A friend was murdered by a man who lied that he was the taxi she was waiting for. Maybe I should be frightened, but I'm not. I'm fucking furious and refuse to give up my freedoms in response to a tiny number of wrong'uns.

I agree with Angry, it may well be entirely down to luck that none of my incidents escalated to full blown assault or rape, but why on earth should women have to consider themselves lucky to lead a normal life without experiencing serious bodily harm?

Screamqueenz I honestly don’t think the other comments were meant as a way of victim blaming. I also feel afraid so I’m in your position and I am almost certain the intent was not to shame- although one comment did have me wondering.

I am petite but have big boobs so I get more attention than I’ve ever wanted, it’s been like this since I was 11. Certain situations scare me more than others. Sometimes I’ll be feisty and sometimes I will feel nervous and careful. It depends. I’m stronger and braver the older I get though, probably because I’m so angry and sick of being targeted. I’ve trained in boxing and self defence and I am still fearful at night- probably because I’ve been raped, and I’ve been harassed so many times. I do think even the women who do not feel like us, understand that others will feel more vulnerable, or at least can’t be strong and brave 100% of the time. Hope I’m making sense.

Yes Penny, absolutely! Both understand and that you are making sense.

To try to be unequivocally clear. I am a 5'2", size 8 woman, with my own generous breasts and other female anatomy. I have never experienced serious sexual assault, but I still feel have concerns about being out at night or in certain situations because it is a risk. So far, I have not let it stop me, but it does not mean the fear has gone away.

I have no desire to 'shame' anyone. It makes me sad and angry that women feel unable to go about their lives comfortably because of some* men.

I have no issue with the question posed by DM. I have an issue with DM and claims that their fears are the same as mine (or any other natal woman) when they are clearly going to be physically stronger and more able to defend themselves.

*Caveat included because NAMALT