Judge is going to rule on the 'landmark' case determining if a child can be born without a mother.

[R0wantrees]

Independent: 'Judge to decide whether baby can be first in UK history to be born without a mother in landmark trans rights case
Transgender parent says being forced to register as the child’s 'mother' breaches his human right to respect for privacy and family life'
(extract)
"The most senior Family Court judge in England and Wales is set to rule on a case involving a transgender man whose baby is at the centre of a historic human rights fight.

Lawyers say the baby could become the first person born in England or Wales who will not legally have a mother.

The baby is the child of a single parent who was born a woman but now lives as a man after undergoing surgery.

NHS faces legal action unless it offers trans people fertility service
Judges have heard that the man had been biologically able to get pregnant and give birth but had legally become male by the time the child was born.

He wants to be identified as the child's “father” or “parent” on a birth certificate but a registrar has told him that the law requires people who give birth to be registered as mothers." (continues)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/transgender-man-baby-birth-certificate-mother-trans-rights-landmark-case-family-court

UKTELI 'landmark case'

I'm also not quite sure in what situation it would really matter if the birth certificate says this?
In a medical setting, the mother will have to reveal they gave birth to the child both for their own health and that of the child.

In an educational setting, usually you have "parent or guardian" with children being raised by one foster carer, one grandparent, dad only etc. etc. Just tell teachers/other parents you're a single dad and get sketchy about where mum is.

For the child themselves, while too young to request a copy of their birth certificate, I'm sure they are going to say "I'm your dad and I'm trans and men can give birth if they are trans".

And when the child is old enough to request the birth certificate they will have (one hopes) done enough biology to understand how this all came about. Even if their birth certificate says "father", they will either have rebelled and be telling everyone their "dad" is their "mum" or they'll have drunk the Koolaid and be telling everyone the repressive government wouldn't let their dad have the right status on the birth certificate, poor us.

Maybe we need to revamp birth certificates to list ova-parent, sperm-parent, gestational carrier, legal parents..
Truly inclusive then....

Is there anything in UK law that says a mother always identifies as a woman. Surely it does not matter what sex the mother identifies as, if they carried the child, then they are the mother, or if they are in the role of the person who carried the child, they are the mother.

This would set a terrible legal precedent and is in no way in the interests of the child. Their birth certificate belongs to them and should be an accurate record of their birth.

As someone else said using this as validation is breathtakingly selfish.

Christ, all I can do is hope this is a MNetter doing this as a stunt to prove what a nonsense the whole situation is becoming.

Sadly I'm most definitely wrong.

I also suspect this person is being used as a test case because it might invoke more empathy with a judge.

If the precedent is set there will also be a lot of fathers wanting their children's birth certificates to say mother (possibly retroactively - not sure if you can do this)?

It's one of the stumbling blocks of ideology validation at the moment. I've noticed a number of prominent TW who have to concede they are fathers because it's one area that until now has had no legal challenge.

Poor kid

Oh fuck it. Let's just completely change the meaning of every single word pertaining to sex and gender. I'm going to self ID as a potato and my partner is self IDing as a budgie and that's what we'll be putting down on our child's birth certificate. We'll be a loving parents so who cares?

IT'S FUCKING ABSURD

To me “Mother” means the person who gestated and bore you - I agree with this statement.
Surely the child's rights need to be taken into account and they should have the right to know who gave birth to them.
Maybe it should have a section to say birth person for people who don't want to identify as the mother, but this should be an addition, I most definitely want my right as a mother to have exactly that on my sons birth certificate.

@SlimDogMillionaire sorry but your post just made me laugh out loud,

Yup, it's absurd but very dangerous Stalinism.

Let me get this straight.
A female person who identifies as a man went through the reproductive role that defines their biological sex, presumably because they wanted a child, yet likely has such bad dysphoria that they must identify themselves as a member of the opposite sex.
Having undergone this process, this individual now decides to go through this very lengthy battle in order to not be recognized as the child's mother on a legal document that doesn't even belong to them (because it is the child's certificate)?
This all feels very odd, IMO.

I really hope this goes in favour of the child having a mother. Because it would be fucking weird to be born of no one, no legal mother.

This is beyond selfish of the parent - it's not fucking ABOUT them, it's about their child. They should be registered as "mother" on the birth cert, for the sake of the child, regardless of what they then choose to define themselves as.

This all feels very odd, IMO

Yes.

Always interesting to consider where the support for such a legal 'landmark' case might be....

slimdog

I think it is being used to set a precedent so abusive men will be able to define themselves as mother in order to erase the actual mother.

Always interesting to consider where the support for such a legal 'landmark' case might be....

TELI?

I agree too Countess/NewWomen.

I agree too Countess.

Who Do You Think You Are will be really confusing in 50 years..

MrsBertBibby

"How are you living as a man whilst being pregnant?"

Leaving the toilet seat up?

There should be a law against enshrining a legal fiction in law.