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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Talked with trans-ally dd this evening.

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JellySlice · 26/09/2018 23:59

Dd is 15, and knows that we have opposite opinions on trans issues. She saw my FPFW pack (which I had deliberately left open on the kitchen table) and asked me about it.

She listened carefully to what I had to say, asked questions, tried to present her viewpoint. I lost her when I explained that I don't think that I should have to lie because someone else wants to be different.

But during the conversation dd cried. Not sobbing, just a red face and wet eyes. And my heart broke for her. The rational part of her keeps getting glimpses of the Emperor's bare skin, but the female-socialised, compassionate, SM-influenced teenager can't cope with the contradictions. She has autistic traits, and once she believes something finds it very difficult to change her belief. Plus she's GNC and sees that as something she has in common with transpeople, rather than having her femaleness in common with women.

And my heart broke for her. She's trying to be a good, kind person. She's swallowed all the "you can be anything you want" and the "we should be inclusive of people who are different ", and now we telling her that that's wrong. And she cannot conceive of a world where she has no rights, and has no idea of what she stands to lose.

Sad
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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 27/09/2018 21:31

Oooh good point batteries

Turph · 27/09/2018 21:33

The rest of it seemed to be along the lines of I’m allowed to knock your house down as long as I leave you the shed, don’t complain, some people don’t even have a shed.
Much better written than I could manage Grin

AngryAttackKittens · 27/09/2018 22:24

I have to say, the people who've turned up to tell off the OP are not exactly covering the other side of this discussion in glory, between the complete failure to understand how easily kids can get frustrated and cry when faced with confusing situations and the deliberate misreading of what OP said.

Projection maybe? Bluntness is certainly coming across as if "scorched earth fight to the death" is her normal mode of interaction. That not how most people interact with their family members...

Ereshkigal · 27/09/2018 23:15

Also worth reading: this was doing the rounds on Facebook a while ago. I don't know the author but have C&Pd the post for those of you without FB accounts.

Yes, I've read it too. It's really fucking dumb.

LauraMipsum · 28/09/2018 12:51

I have ASD and I tend to cry when I have strong feelings. Not because I'm upset, my brain just doesn't know how to process those feelings. I cry when I see people winning sporting events too. No idea why.

OP, does your daughter have any GNC women around her? Do you know any? I'm GNC (in fact security at work this morning were loudly speculating about my supposed gender identity) and I resent the implication that if I want to wear men's clothes and have a number 2 hair cut, that I'm somehow no longer a real woman. It would be far easier for me just to declare myself non binary but this just doesn't strike me as a progressive position!

JellySlice · 28/09/2018 13:39

does your daughter have any GNC women around her?

Yes, me.

I'm GNC and obviously female. I used often assumed to be male when seen from behind in winter, less so now that I wear a long, tailored coat.

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