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Posie Parker is just in make-up and about to go up against Mr Harrop. Please tune in and send her lots of good vibes!

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IW? I've put this morning on to record.

India Willoughby: www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/tv/india-willoughby-huge-bust-up-14119665

Cheers

IW will undoubtably come straight out of the gate with some sort of “you’re saying I don’t exist and making trans people kill themselves!!!” comment. Guaranteed.

Then it’ll be just sound bite after sound bite after sound bite. Doing that newspeak thing where they suck up all the air time by making their points... really... really slowly and interjecting superfluous “you knows” and “I just feel” then... talkingfastandloudwhentheotherpersinistryingtospeak so that no substantive points can be made.

IW is a pro at derailing interviews but Posie is bad ass and has a charisma that IW is lacking and could well trounce it.

I am exceedingly cheesed off that I will not be in the house or near available WiFi during This Morning tomorrow, so I shall be relying on some of you excellent women to direct me to any recordings of the exchange that may exist in the afternoon. It's mildly surreal that I am looking forward to seeing how she does with the same mix of excitement and tremulous fear that I had waiting to find out if David Budd was a double agent or not.

Floral LOL, I am, too. I've almost stopped following my usual fictional dramas because what's happening in real life with this "debate" is more soapy, crazier, and scarier than I could ever imagine.

India Willoughby - is she the one that got really angry with Nick Robinson on Radio 4 when he wouldn't say she was a woman?

No, that was Paris Lees. IW poked a threatening finger in Amanda Barrie's face and said they would keep saying 'I am a woman' until it 'penetrated'.

Screaming about penetrating wouldn’t be a good look either.

Surely India learnt from that and would not try that tactic again..half my mates peaked within minutes watching that display.

IW will undoubtably come straight out of the gate with some sort of “you’re saying I don’t exist and making trans people kill themselves!!!” comment. Guaranteed.

Yes, many things will be said about trans suicide. Just once, I wish someone would reply to those manipulative comments pointing out the Samaritans guidance. Its hard to argue that point though as it seems so insensitive but...suicide IS used as a gotcha, even though the rates are false

Trans murder rates will maybe rear their head too.

I wish I had the guts to do stuff like this, I would love to pull up a TRA on that and point out how low the murder rates actually are (thankfully)

This needs to be noted. There have been no trans suicides recorded in serious case reviews in the past decade.

*trans children

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There have been no trans suicides recorded in serious case reviews in the past decade.

Are serious case reviews only conducted when there has been some sort of social services involvement?

Doing that newspeak thing where they suck up all the air time by making their points... really... really slowly and interjecting superfluous “you knows” and “I just feel” then... talkingfastandloudwhentheotherpersinistryingtospeak so that no substantive points can be made.

Posie talked right over Dr Harrop, just like a man would. He was talking really slowly, it hadn't occurred to me that he was sucking up the airtime.

Threatening suicide if you don't get your way is classic bullying.

According to the researcher, any child suicide triggers a serious case review.

Ok thanks

ToeToToe

So there will be a SCR into the F2M who just committed suicide at my DC’s sixth form? They appeared to be being dealt with via affirmation.

Ok, I think the researcher may be mistaken. I've had a look because the number of suicides is too low.

I've found this report

documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=37568

It covers

National suicide data were obtained from ONS for individuals aged between 10 and 19 during the first year of the study. These deaths occurred between January 2014 and April 2015. In total, 145 deaths by suicide were notified by ONS in the time period (table 1).

It also includes a breakdown for children under 18.

I think it's quite an interesting report.

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Hope you don't feel I'm picking you up it's just that I feel very strongly about how suicide stats are misreported and misused.

Therefore if I see something that doesn't seem quite right I look further. It's one of the main things that first made me feel uncomfortable about trans organisations when I saw how they were using statistics.

I looked up suicide stats the other day. IIRC, there are 10-15 suicides of children under 15 per year and 150-200 suicides by minors aged 15-19.

So yes, I assume the above research was for children with social services involvement.

FWIW, in November 2017 the NHS GIDS website said suicide is extremely rare, with one case in the service in the last decade, of a young person in an inpatient ward who was referred with severe psychiatric difficulties and now it says just suicide is extremely rare. The change may be due to another suicide or to activist pressure (there was some fuss about the original being on the website from both sides).

It's a fair comment, dolorsit - that researcher hasn't put their name to it, and it's made clear that the research is a "database search" by "suicide" and "trans" - which brought nothing up.

Your link refers to "children and young people under 25" though - so may explain the difference in figures. The suicide rate peaks in late teens - so some older teens may not be included in "child" stats.

It does cast a shadow of doubt on the threats made to parents by trans-activists that your child is at risk of suicide if you don't affirm them though - something that is about to be re-affirmed by Anna Friel's latest drama - "better a live daughter than a dead son".

talked right over Dr Harrop, just like a man would. He was talking really slowly, it hadn't occurred to me that he was sucking up the airtime.

Bah! Clumsy one handed typing and hit Post by accident.

Wanted to say that it is a well established tactic, where there is a time limit, to blather on really slowly in order to stymie a discussion. Same shit they pull in the US senate but you can’t “reclaim your time” on live TV. Does show who is a total manipulative toss pot though.