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How was trans ever added onto LGB ?

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SirVixofVixHall · 23/09/2018 22:57

Reading some of the schools advice on trans from Allsorts, it occurred to me that the only way transactivist propaganda has been so successful is because it has piggybacked in on gay and lesbian rights literature. Alone, it sounds so unhinged that it would never have gained traction. On the end of LGB it sounds respectable, it gets shedloads if funding, and it makes people feel automatically more accepting.

For schools, who very much want to support pupils and stop bullying, the trans stuff added on is very clever. It means they don’t question the agenda. Yet trans is nothing like LGB, it isn’t a sexual orientation, it has more in common with a religion. It actively undermines homosexuality. I know that some lesbians have been calling this out for some time, but there seem very few gay men. I don’t understand why ? The gay male friends I’ve had in the last were very vocal and certainly would not take kindly to being told they are bigots if they won’t shag vagina people. Is it because it is a women’s rights issue? It doesn’t affect them so they don’t care ? Why was trans ever added to LGB, is that through Stonewall ?
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AsAProfessionalFekko · 23/09/2018 22:59

Shouty entitled men with an agenda. It's always been LGB to me and ways will be.

Mrskeats · 23/09/2018 23:02

Pressure as suggested above. Doesn’t belong with LGB at all. In fact the trans agenda is to try and make the rest disappear.

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SirVixofVixHall · 23/09/2018 23:09

The stuff from Allsorts reads like a dystopian novel if you care at all about safeguarding girls. I cannot imagine this would have ever been accepted had it not come from a worthy source. I think lesbians and gay men have been sold down the river and used, deliberately.

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Mrskeats · 23/09/2018 23:15

Totally agree sir the trans lobby is not a LGB ally. To them a lesbian is a failed transman. It’s frightening.

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SirVixofVixHall · 23/09/2018 23:20

Oh and sorry for the multiple typos in my opening post, I’m really tired.

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Mrskeats · 23/09/2018 23:27

Never noticed the typos Smile
I think about out lesbians like sue Perkins and how if they were teens now they would be being told to transition.

newtlover · 23/09/2018 23:31

I thin gay men are starting to speak up too, after all who was it said gay men were only gay men because they couldn't be transwomen (either Shon thingy or the other one)

FloralBunting · 23/09/2018 23:35

I was an LGB rep at uni. Like pps I've never absorbed the additional alphabet.

AspieAndProud · 23/09/2018 23:37

It's an example of 'entryism'.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism

It's when a smaller political movement infiltrates a larger one and takes it over from the inside.

Militant tried it on the Labour Party on the Eighties and Momentum did it more successfully in 2015.

Think of entryists like a virus. Too small to reproduce itself the virus invades a host cell and uses the host's mechanisms to replicate.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 23/09/2018 23:38

The rest of the alphabet seem to be kinks, preferences for types of relationships (or abstinence) and general 'I wanna join the cool gang' labels.

Mrskeats · 23/09/2018 23:39

That’s a brill analogy aspie
I also think gay people are getting tired of it all.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 23/09/2018 23:40

Yes - (gay) men and women I have spoken to are horrified/very pissed off.

NotZenEnough · 23/09/2018 23:58

I noticed the other day someone putting a p on the end for poly. I keep meaning to ask about this. Wtf is this. There should be LGB for sexual orientation and TQP++++ whatever they bloody well want in the other group. You're absolutely right that attaching on to the end of the LGB movement has added respectability and sensitivity and trust to the whole TQ+ thing.

NotZenEnough · 24/09/2018 00:00

Further to my post above, I know what Poly is, I find it gross. Met a poly group a while ago and it was clearly a 'relationship' based on (male) power and control. Really unpleasant. I just don't understand how this happens, it's madness!

MipMipMip · 24/09/2018 00:02

I wouldn't say they think lesbians are failed transmen. There seem to be a certain subset who like lesbians - who else would they shag? Lesbians are great because being a lesbian transwomen earns you extra most oppressed points.

FloralBunting · 24/09/2018 00:04

Well, this is it. The LGB community has fought through actual aggressive oppression. They've had to be genuinely brave to fight against laws which criminalised who they were attracted to. Actually put them in prison. Still gets them beaten and killed in places,some places legally.

To have a bunch of never-had-a-hardship-beyond-Netflix-not-loading trendseekers come along and piggyback on people's genuine struggle is fucking insulting.

elQuintoConyo · 24/09/2018 00:07

AspieAndProud

It's an example of 'entryism'.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism

It's when a smaller political movement infiltrates a larger one and takes it over from the inside.

Rather like being Wendied?

theOtherPamAyres · 24/09/2018 00:10

I've never absorbed the additional alphabet

I had been puzzled by the changing face of the Pride Festival in Manchester for about two years before we stopped going. It used to be a festival where you could take your children or your gran.

The last time we went there seemed to be too many floats and groups celebrating 'kinks'. A few "performances" were highly sexualised and that was enough for us: no more Pride - which was a shame.

As far as I'm aware you cannot suffer discrimination or be marginalised by society for your love of bondage or cross dressing. It seemed strange to me that the 'alphabet soup' needed "acceptance", as though there were great swathes of the UK's population oppressing them.

No-one is oppressing them. No-one is denying them their rights. I still can't figure out how they fit with LBG.

DuckingGoodPJs · 24/09/2018 00:25

Thanks for the term 'entryism' Aspie, good to know, and describes it well.

I was going to describe it as hearing someone bash at the front door, and when you open it, before you have the chance to say "come in", they are already in the front room with their feet on the coffee table. And now your brain dedicates all its time on ways to get them out of the house.

AspieAndProud · 24/09/2018 00:34

How is 'poly' an orientation? That's no more an 'orientation' than having an affair. What next? Dirty weekend? Dogging?

DuckingGoodPJs · 24/09/2018 01:07

Actually, I would describe trans/transwoman as entryism into woman, and female.

Exhibit A:
twitter.com/mrkhtake2/status/1041297713143455744
All the words, they want all our words.

Nondescriptname · 24/09/2018 01:15

It was only in 1967 that homosexuality was de-criminalised. Well within living memory for a lot of us.
Then after many years, there were civil partnerships, then a few years more and gay marriage arrived.
That's a lot of change in a relatively short time and I think many people just accepted trans as soon as they heard about it, as being just another change that wouldn't really affect most people.

Nondescriptname · 24/09/2018 01:16

PS, they were wrong. It will affect everybody if it continues the way trans people want it to.

DuckingGoodPJs · 24/09/2018 01:21

This works for me, on so many levels...

palmfaceouch · 24/09/2018 01:35

I despise it being tagged on to LGB