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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are you privileged because you "can take your gender for granted"?

46 replies

kesstrel · 20/09/2018 14:42

Apparently Angela Rayner MP thinks so:

"I find it very unpleasant that some of my sisters are often questioned on their gender, the very thing that many women can take for granted."

twitter.com/AngelaRayner/status/1042727730922614786?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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TonnoEMaionese · 20/09/2018 14:53

Surely it's only a good thing if you think being treated according to your gender is a good thing.

Personally, I'd like to be treated as a human, unless the fact I'm female makes a difference.

And since that doesn't happen, since I'm assumed to be less competent at my job, assumed to not understand what I'm talking about when at B&Q, expected to lose my identity once I get married, or dedicate my life to my kids, no. I don't believe it's a privilege.

BettyDuMonde · 20/09/2018 14:56

I don’t have a gender, gender is external bullshit.

Maybe being able to swallow bullshit is something some folk take for granted, but I don’t seem to have that either.

FeministPumpkin · 20/09/2018 14:58

God, fucking take gender, Angela and “sisters”. We don’t fucking want it.

What thise “sisters” are questioned over is not their gender. It’s their sex. 🙄

Mumminmum · 20/09/2018 14:58

No, not privileged. Women get so much crap for being women.

Less self-absorbed perhaps. Less attention seeking. Less ME ME ME ME MINE MINE MINE!!!!

YetAnotherSpartacus · 20/09/2018 15:00

My gender was and is violently imposed on me. My sex is female. My gender a patriarchal social construct.

TheProvincialLady · 20/09/2018 15:00

Telling someone they are priveleged is a very quick win if you’re trying to shut them up. It even distracts from the fact that you have a fair few privileges yourself.

NameChangedAgain18 · 20/09/2018 15:03

I admire Angela. She has achieved a great deal in life despite being at the back of the queue when they gave out brains.

FloralBunting · 20/09/2018 15:09

I am so fucking privileged when a male customer refuses to listen to my explanation of why he can't get his own way and insists on a manager ( who he assumes will be a man) who comes down and needs me to explain the facts because the manager himself doesn't know the policy. Because my gender privilege means he just assumed I am naturally a stupid woman.

I am so damned privileged when a couple of men outside the pub I walk past to the bus stop say "Here love, want something to smile about?" points to crotch. Because my gender privilege as a woman means I must be sexually available for that sort of thing.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea Maxima culpa.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 20/09/2018 15:11

She's being an idiot.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/09/2018 15:11

Some great responses on that thread. I hope she reads them and starts to untangle sex from gender.

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 15:19

Blimey I've seen drivel before but that's gold-plated.

Angela: transgenderism itself disproves the theory of male and female brain sex or gender identity.

You cannot have a 'gender identity' that matches your physical sex unless you accept THAT the body has a sex. Which transgenderism doesn't.

That's it. That's all you need to know.

NameChangedAgain18 · 20/09/2018 15:20

Some great responses on that thread. I hope she reads them and starts to untangle sex from gender.

I don’t think listening or thinking are her strong points.

lunamoth581 · 20/09/2018 15:20

Oh yes, I’m so very privileged by the fact that no one questions that I fall into the “weaker and lesser” gender category. I am so, so privileged that people automatically assume that I am worth less, am less intelligent, less rational, less trustworthy, and less capable because I am a woman. I am so extraordinarily privileged that I don’t have to remind people to treat me as a sub-human object who’s really only good for making sandwiches, cleaning messes and fucking.

They just do that automatically! Because I was born with a vagina!

Women are so fucking lucky and privileged, aren’t they? Wouldn’t it be so unpleasant if people started to question the whole oppressive social construct that is gender?

/sarcasm

TerfsUp · 20/09/2018 15:21

some of my sisters

I don't have any sisters and Angela Rayner can fuck off.

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 15:23

I admire Angela. She has achieved a great deal in life despite being at the back of the queue when they gave out brains

You win mumsnet today Grin

FermatsTheorem · 20/09/2018 15:33

Hmm, can't think of any occasions on which I've been privileged by being thought less rational, overly emotional, fond of pink and prone to hair flicking, etc.

On the other hand, I did have to take an employer to court in order to get equal pay because of my sex. I won. I got a 10% pay rise, which was a huge deal in the middle of austerity cut backs (meant I could actually live on my salary ever month rather than having to dip into savings every month).

Sex is the material reality used as a (spurious) justification for our oppression, gender is that spurious justification.

BlackeyedSusan · 20/09/2018 15:41

fuck that. I do not want to be catcalled, or thought of as thick because of my sex so you can stuff gender where the sun don't shine

LangCleg · 20/09/2018 15:41

Who the fuck does Angela think she is? Jean fucking Brodie?

These feeble but obnoxious appeals to female socialisation in favour of the patriarchy are gender, Angela, you pomo-addled nitwit.

You'll notice this is all she has: haranguing her actual sisters and sucking up to the menz. You'll never get a single productive engagement on any of the germane issues. Not one.

TerfsUp · 20/09/2018 15:44

Angela Rayner is a female woke dudebro.

kesstrel · 20/09/2018 15:48

Some nice responses here too! Grin

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deepwatersolo · 20/09/2018 17:00

Well, mental health is a privilege, in a way, I guess.

TwistedStitch · 20/09/2018 17:04

She doesn't stand a chance against the clever and articulate GC women of twitter. It's embarrassing.

VickyEadie · 20/09/2018 17:11

Karen White is no "sister" of mine.

Other non-sisters are available

littlbrowndog · 20/09/2018 18:04

what is wrong with that woman

Did she lose her brain and capacity for actually thinking

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 20/09/2018 18:12

These feeble but obnoxious appeals to female socialisation in favour of the patriarchy are gender, Angela, you pomo-addled nitwit.

Yep.