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NUS guide to filling in the GRA consultation - predictably bonkers

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BettyDuMonde · 20/09/2018 01:33

www.nus.org.uk/en/news/press-releases/nus-statement-on-university-of-york-students-union/

Be interesting to see what actual, grown up politicians think of that...

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BettyDuMonde · 20/09/2018 01:35

Actual link (oops) www.nus.org.uk/en/take-action/liberation-campaigns/gra/

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AncientLights · 20/09/2018 06:01

Jesus what a pile of shite. They're calling for the end of 'gender being coercively assigned at birth. FFS. What does that even mean? Who is the poor midwife coercing - parents or baby? And it aims the call to action squarely at women. Our self-loathing and desire to self-harm is endless it seems.

KataraJean · 20/09/2018 06:53

Wow, that is scary. What happened to open debate? Critically looking at the evidence and viewpoints and reaching an informed position?

Women, know thy place.

VickyEadie · 20/09/2018 06:58

Oh, for the days of my undergrad experience (late 70s!) when what we were concerned with was Palestine, ultra-vires...and actual feminism.

And shouting at Sir Keith Joseph for dissing social classes 4 and 5 when he came to speak to the university Tory group.

TerfsUp · 20/09/2018 07:55

"Cis women"? The NUS can fuck off.

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 07:59

'students and students’ unions should respond to collectively in solidarity with trans people, and especially trans women'

Men are always more important, by the way

Women, know your place

AngryAttackKittens · 20/09/2018 08:02

We are also calling for an end to coercively assigning gender at birth, and an end to gatekeeping of gender identity and experience by the state.

This reminds me of AFTHs "release all trans prisoners and let us perform surgery on ourselves and each other" demand. Completely deranged.

JuneOsbourne · 20/09/2018 08:16

especially trans women Women like Jess Bradley you mean?

I actually love that they put that line in. They just can't help centering males, can they?

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 08:18

I know, there wasn't even any need for it. Clue: this is how we know you don't think trans'women', are women, NUS.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 20/09/2018 08:18

So sad to see the bloody NUs women’s officer throwing women’s rights under the trans bus.

littlbrowndog · 20/09/2018 08:37

Poor babies being forced into a sex. I blame the midwives. After all they are mostly women. It’s a hideous crime and someone has to protect the babies
Thank god for NUS women’s officers
The6 can save all the wretched babies from this awful terrible crime

Dam you midwives and parents for colluding in this

Floisme · 20/09/2018 08:50

I'm not on Twitter but I'd love someone to ask them directly what input Jess Bradley has had into this.

R0wantrees · 20/09/2018 08:57

This reminds me of AFTHs "release all trans prisoners and let us perform surgery on ourselves and each other" demand. Completely deranged.

Uncanny isnt it AAK?

Rose of Dawn on why NUS position / statement sounds so much like Action for Trans Health:

'What Does Co-Opting The Trans Movement Look Like?'

NUS Trans Conference: From Agender To Antifa

Ereshkigal · 20/09/2018 09:21

Yes there is a lot of batshittery in the NUS but I detect the hand of Bradley here.

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 09:25

I don't think the current President is/was a fan of Bradley, since long before the scandal she was hedging her bets. It's this woman's officer who is full on handmaiden.

ChattyLion · 20/09/2018 09:28

NUS Women’s and LGBT+ campaigns represent women and LGBT+ students (and all their intersections), and we believe that the GRA reform consultation is a topic which students and students’ unions should respond to collectively in solidarity with trans people, and especially trans women.

WTF?
They don’t even go on to justify WHY ‘trans women’ need this ‘especial’ centring. Is it because they know that the statistics on Male pattern offending seem to magically stay extremely consistent with you know.. Male pattern offending? including after transition?
And at the same time they know that students, women, children and everyone else are being asked to bin basic normal safeguarding principles which must apply to EVERYONE on the basis that its ‘transphobic’ to apply it to some people?
And they can sense that common sense is causing more than a few people to ask basic questions about evidence, safety, dignity, freedom of speech and women’s rights? For which the trans lobby hasn’t got an answer?

The NUS agenda of centring men and letting women and girls take the hit, literally couldn’t be more blatant. What a bunch of self important dicks.

R0wantrees · 20/09/2018 09:44

Yes there is a lot of batshittery in the NUS but I detect the hand of Bradley here.

Jess Bradley, Rowan Davies, Eden Ladley, Rob Noon are closely linked and had / have influence on NUS policies and direction.

Eden Ladley & Rowan Davies ran the workshop at NUS Women's 18 (discussion of which linked to MN intern's data breach)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3222263-Slide-show-on-How-to-Deal-with-TERFs

Davies nominated Jess Bradley for NUS Trans Officer

Eden Ladley(NUS LGBT+ Women's place officer) & Jess Bradley with Lily Madigan appeared on Young Labour panel just before JB's suspension, discussing 'trans misogyny'
twitter.com/HWGYoungLabour/status/1020009994471854081
from thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3309758-This-never-happens-male-offenders-in-female-prisons?pg=2&messages=100

Rob Noon LGBT+ Open Place. Rob Noon is a trans man who has been very closely involved with Jess Bradley for some time (see Twitter #tiredtransontrains) and an active campaigner especially for Action for Trans Health (he held the banner at the protest where Bradley was bundled out of the way by pipers)

All will have been closely involved in organising NUS Trans18 conference (which presumably will have ratified the NUS response to GRA?)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237230-NUS-Conference-breaks-down-after-the-UK-Border-Force-Arrive

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BettyDuMonde · 20/09/2018 09:45

No more baby boys/girls would effectively end all childhood sex based legal protections in one go.

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R0wantrees · 20/09/2018 09:47

From the thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii?pg=26

Article shared by Rose of Dawn:
'DISAFFILIATE NOW: A LIBERALIST TAKE ON THE FAILURE OF THE NUS – PART 1: FEUDAL FEUDING'

The author, Alison Ordnung exmines NUS representation from a liberalist perspective.
The section about the Liberation groups is particularly relevent to this thread:

Previously it has been discussed that is a person identifies as non binary trans woman and is attracted to women or queer they can represent NUS Trans, LGBT+ and Women's groups.
(extract)
"Consequently, the women’s society includes many who aren’t women by their own identification – they identify as non-binary, genderqueer, or genderfluid, but still have a seat at the table of the Women’s campaign. To say the NUS Women’s campaign represents women is deeply misleading. If you don’t share their identity politics, you will likely have nothing to do with them, beyond funding them.

The Liberation officers are voted in at their own conferences, attendance of which is de facto limited. Consequently, with identity politics in effect voting is also limited within the conferences caucuses – this results in tiny numbers of voters granting grand sounding positions:

NUS Trans Officer – (61 votes, ran unopposed)
NUS Trans Campaign – Black Students Officer (6 votes, ran unopposed)
NUS Women’s Officer – (111 votes, ran unopposed)
NUS Women’s Lesbian Officer – (8 Votes, unopposed)
NUS LGBT Disabled Students Rep – (14 votes, unopposed)
NUS LGBT Open Place – (144 Votes, Contested)
NUS LGBT Women’s Place – (56 Votes, Contested)
NUS LGBT Black Students – (14 Votes, Uncontested)
NUS Trans FE Representative – (2 Votes, Unopposed)
In the 2018/19 Women’s committee only 2 of the 9 positions were contested, the rest being mere formalities. Women make up the majority of students, but 111 votes in an uncontested election selected their representative."

liberalists.org.uk/disaffiliate-now-a-liberalist-take-on-the-failure-of-the-nus-part-1-feudal-feuding/

NicoAndTheNiners · 20/09/2018 09:48

I can promise you that as a midwife I have never assigned gender to anyone. I have looked at genitals and correctly determined biological sex hundreds of times! I fill out a computer form which asks me which sex the baby is. I don’t fill out anything about gender.

They’re total fuckwits who don’t understand the difference.

R0wantrees · 20/09/2018 09:50

Is the Women's Officer's position subject to the conclusions of the Women's Comittee?

AbsintheFriends · 20/09/2018 09:59

as a student movement, we need to stand with the most marginalised people in society

In which fucked up alternative reality are the likes of Jess Bradley and Lily Madigan the most marginalised people in society???

hackmum · 20/09/2018 10:00

We are also calling for an end to coercively assigning gender at birth

In the long history of NUS batshittery, surely that has to be the most batshit statement they've ever made?

theOtherPamAyres · 20/09/2018 12:27

Ah, so that's what Jess Bradley has been doing while on "gardening leave".