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Parent killer blames murder on lack of gender affirmation by parents

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doedoe90303811 · 19/09/2018 17:27

Andrea, formerly Andrew, killed parents & their pet chihuahua. Andrea allowed brother Christopher to escape.

www.centralmaine.com/2017/10/25/winthrop-teenager-tells-police-dispatcher-i-snapped-on-the-night-he-is-accused-of-killing-his-parents/

Andrea has long blamed the murders on the lack of affirmation of gender identity by the parents, but has now come up with a new excuse, that mum was overly affectionate.

www.pressherald.com/2018/09/15/winthrop-teen-alleges-abuse-preceded-slayings/

We are expected to use female pronouns to refer to this monster.

Parent killer blames murder on lack of gender affirmation by parents
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DickTERFin · 19/09/2018 19:44

I'm not sure exactly where the best place for him to be is, but I know it isn't in a female facility.

I suspect this was deeply premeditated and the month before his 18th Birthday was not by accident. We'll probably never know if there was any abuse in the home. It's quite possible that he has severe mental health/personality issues and has been abused in some way.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 19/09/2018 20:28

He could just be a cold blooded, lying murdering fuck like Ted Bundy that would talk shit about made up parental abuse that gullible psychologist feel over themselves to believe.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 19/09/2018 20:29

fall

BettyDuMonde · 19/09/2018 21:07

Killed them on Halloween.
He wants someone to make movies about him.

Norman Bates was a cross dresser, of course. Sheltering under the edge of the Stonewall umbrella.

This is starting to feel like a really depressing parlour game: ‘Real Trans/Fake Trans?’

Just please, please don’t lock any women or girls in with him.

BettyDuMonde · 19/09/2018 21:10

(I suppose murdering your allegedly non-affirming parents was always going to be the next stage, after the suicide threats stop working?

Those who threaten suicide are statistically more likely to commit domestic homicide)

DuckingGoodPJs · 20/09/2018 00:00

Wow, the Big Mac of defences - one with The Lot. Balcer is hoping one of them will stick so they can get off from double parricide, going for 'crazy, but not too crazy as to be locked up in a mental institution for life'.

Premeditated murder - did he also deliberately do this before turning 18 to avoid adult justice system? He seemed more upset about killing the dog to be honest.

The timing was impeccable. Little tiny dog "collateral damage". The mother morphed from being 'too caring' into a sexual child abuser and animal torturer (hint to Balcer, statistically more believable if they had accused the father of those things), father 'transphobic', tinnitus turns someone into a psycho killer, and...

Killed them on Halloween.
He wants someone to make movies about him.

Perhaps the film version will have the chihuahua relaying homicidal instructions via the tone that only Balcer and the dog could hear?

At least the brother no longer feels sorry for Balcer, and is angered by the lack of genuine remorse. Good for Christopher, there comes a point when whatever issues are not even an excuse, and the person should be held to account. Particularly when genuine remorse is nowhere to be seen.

The trans thing, just another red herring. No doubt the TRAs will still scramble to Balcer's defence though.

Welshmaiden85 · 20/09/2018 00:13

To my mind, definitionally if you murder your parents you are mentally unwell. This kid either has some serious psychiatric condition or was seriously abused by someone. Normal young people don’t murder their parents.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 20/09/2018 00:37

Psychopaths can.

SlowlyShrinking · 20/09/2018 10:46

But is psychopathy a birth defect, or a response to abuse/neglect at an early age?

AsAProfessionalFekko · 20/09/2018 10:48

Can be both.

But then why didn't a generation of kids brought up or young men who saw action during WW2 not turn out to be wholesale murderous?

SlowlyShrinking · 20/09/2018 10:54

Good question. I expect some did and some didn’t? Most didn’t, of course and just kept it to themselves. Or had PTSD and took it out on those around them. Is there maybe a time window for psychopathy?
Of course, you could be a psychopath and not murder your parents, but loads of people online telling you how evil they are for not validating your identity probably helps to get to that point Sad

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 20/09/2018 11:09

A psychopath is born a sociopath is made.

Some psychopaths do well for themselves - becoming surgeons, lawyers and GPs, but not all of them are that clever or able to manipulate the outcomes they want.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 20/09/2018 11:12

It is a dangerous game trying to make humane sense of the incomprehensible inhumane things psychopaths do.

Datun · 20/09/2018 11:15

A deeply disturbed individual, whatever the reasons.

Very difficult reading.

I agree the trans thing is irrelevant in terms of the crime.

But not in terms of the jarring use of female pronouns and complimenting his bloody lock of hair.

Whatever the reason is, whether you think it's nature or nurture, women don't do this sort of thing. Or very rarely.

Women's rights and issues are based partly on their actual biology in terms of maternity and childbirth, female cancers etc, but partly on the inherent power dynamic between men and women which disadvantages them.

This relentless determination to pretend it doesn't exist is so pernicious. Using compelled pronouns through politeness and being 'inclusive' is wilfully obscuring examples and causes of misogyny.

It's exhausting trying to crowbar feminism 101 into every single aspect of this argument.

TerfsUp · 20/09/2018 11:21

It's the Twinkie defence, ie "it's not my fault, guv".

AngryAttackKittens · 20/09/2018 11:22

The comment on the hair was so weird. Who does that while covering a murder trial?

SlowlyShrinking · 20/09/2018 11:47

I’m really not trying to excuse what he’s done, sorry if it came across like that. Just really that I can see that to the wrong person, all the trans affirmation, your family is evil if they don’t accept you as a woman stuff could cause someone who had those tendencies to think killing his family if they didn’t agree with his delusions ok. And yes you’re all right, women don’t tend to do this kind of horrific family annihilation, very rarely, if at all. So it’s just more Male violence. And having hunting knives available and having killed animals in the past probably didn’t help.

BettyDuMonde · 20/09/2018 13:43

A cynical person might conclude that a transfer from male juvenile detention into the women’s estate, thus bypassing the adult male estate entirely, is a particularly appealing option when of your murder victims was a member of an outlaw motorcycle club.

Lots of club members and their associates in prison, looking to level up...

www.vox.com/2015/5/19/8625981/outlaw-motorcycle-gangs-biker

(I can’t tell the dad’s exact association from the photos in the news stories but DH might be able to)

DickTERFin · 20/09/2018 13:59

The trans thing could be entirely a red herring.

There is no way of knowing that he even “came out” to his parents, much less that they weren’t supportive, it could quite conceivably just be part of a defense ruse cooked up by a psychopath and he wasn’t gender questioning for a single second before he decided he wanted to slaughter his family.

BettyDuMonde · 20/09/2018 14:02

Exiles Motorcycle Club.

A fellow member died in a crash at Balcer snr’s memorial ride.

www.pressherald.com/2016/11/19/farmingdale-man-dies-in-motorcycle-procession-honoring-slain-winthrop-man/

AngryAttackKittens · 20/09/2018 14:07

That occurred to me too as soon as I saw the photo of the parents, cynical creature that I am.

You'd think that might have been considered before the individual in question brutally murdered their parents, but hey ho, having a gender is very confusing.

QuietContraryMary · 05/12/2018 16:02

Andrea has been sentenced to 40 years.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6461363/Teen-killed-parents-sentenced-40-years.html

Andrea's attorney plead 'not supporting me enough in my gender transition' in mitigation for the crime.

"Andrea Balcer told the dispatcher she stabbed her mother in the back before stabbing her father when he awoke to his wife's screams. She told detectives she stabbed her mother while she was hugging her. A military-style knife was found stuck in the floor near her father's body.

She also killed the family pet, a Chihuahua, but allowed her brother to escape, telling him, 'It's not your day,' the brother said."

HestiaParthenos · 05/12/2018 16:09

What's next, will this person demand mercy from the judge because of being an orphan?

GraceTheDisgrace · 05/12/2018 16:15

Anyway, I've had tinnitus (moderate since age 8, severe since age 34) and that does not make a person a murderer, trust me. Tired yes, murderer no.

andyoldlabour · 05/12/2018 16:18

I wonder when they compile the crime stats, will this tragic double murder be allocated as a crime committed by a man or by a woman?

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