Women on the left are responsible for austerity

[CarrotyO]

I've heard it said that women on the left actually support and are therefore in some way responsible for austerity. This is because both Labour and the Tories support austerity. Therefore any woman who supports Labour, or the Left in general, also knowingly and consciously supports austerity and are therefore also responsible for the 1000s of deaths of disabled people caused by austerity. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

I'm proposing allowing life to flourish on the earth and you perceive that as the ultimate austerity? Wow this culture has really confused people.

I'm glad you've re-raised the op though.

I'm just going off Lisa's posts which were full of generalisations of the left, the hard left, etc

Like so. Anyone who disagrees with WPUKs treatment of posie - even if they agree with the deplatforming in general and just dislike the way it was done - are basically White Feminists. They couldn't possibly have a valid analysis and opinion, they're just whiny, white, middle class housewives.

AAK - NAWOTLALT

Again, I'd suggest people coming in now read the comment at the top of page 6 and then go back to look at the comments it was in response to. It's illuminating.

We're not confused. To revert to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle you need a healthy ecosystem to appear somehow and for most of the existing human population to die out somehow.

That contradicts a belief that austerity is bad for people. Its an example of doublethink.

Ugh, it's much too early in the morning for me to figure out acronyms!

Well, this thread is Batshit.

Red as usual, a voice of sense cutting through the insanity. I agree with the points you make and therefore I suppose I agree with Lisa, though I've not seen the thread where this started.

OP I don't understand how you can advocate for a return to a system where billions will die because otherwise billions will die... to refer to popular culture, whilst I am generally of the opinion of "Thanos wasn't wrong" as a concept, I also think his methods were appalling.

I'm not advocating for billions to die. The continuation of things as things are will ensure that billions will die.

Here you go, Lisa's first post on that thread that mentioned "the rhetoric framing WPUK as left wing and labour, which de facto excludes people from WPUK" (not just "left wing women") and "the reflex response to place Posie and her children at risk to jostle for a position in a hierarchy". Not a random incoherent post from nowhere, but a post that is clearly related to the elevation of trans voices (what with the thread being about Debbie H) over women's voices.

I'm proposing allowing life to flourish on the earth and you perceive that as the ultimate austerity?

Yes honey, gathering and hunting tribes live ultimate austerity. It does not reflect well on your analytical skills, if you cannot grasp this.

Women on the left, AAK

What Red said.

Lisa's analysis is - like everyone's analysis - subject to critique. But if her analysis is twisted and misrepresented by people who want to challenge it, the entire conversation becomes a combination of straw man and misdirection. It's bloody annoying. And it's certainly incompatible with persuading political parties to institute any pro-woman policies.

Will there be coffee in the post-agriculture utopia?

Er she never once mentioned women who worked in the media...

She has done numerous rants at female journalists. She certainly does take particular issue with women in the media and it seems she felt forced out unfairly by stating her reality in a way that others didn't like. She did not play the role of the 'token single mother on benefits' in the way they wanted her to.

She also does more generally say that middle class women didn't want to see the effects of austerity thus the media didn't adequately and accurately report how it was effecting those who were dealing with it.

Please can we get back to the OP.

Lisa argued that some of the founding members of wpuk are partly responsible for the deaths of 100,000s of disabled people as a result of organising on the left and supporting the Labour Party. This is quite a serious accusation. People are saying - oh she said it about a few particular woman, not about every woman.

But the point she is making would apply to all women. I'm not sure why she thinks it applies to these particular women, and not all women who organise on the left.

Maybe she, or someone else, can clarify?

So there are 2 points. Her assertion that by organising the left, you are tacitly supporting, and responisble for, austerity.
And, why some particular women are more responsible than other women.

Will there be coffee in the post-agriculture utopia?

No

Have you looked into where your coffee comes from? Are you comfortable with that?

Precisely. By all means argue with Lisa's interpretations of events, but it's an entirely different thing to make up your own interpretation of her interpretation and then argue with that instead.

(There will be no joking allowed in utopia.)

Whether Lisa has a point or not, the OP was asked to start a new thread. She did. Sounds like it would have been better to stay in original thread, because this just looks fucking weird now

By all means argue with Lisa's interpretations of events, but it's an entirely different thing to make up your own interpretation of her interpretation and then argue with that instead.

Exactly. I have followed Lisa for years and this happens to her everywhere she ever shows up. It does my head in, so I can't imagine what it does to hers.

If any of these people actually engaged with what she is saying rather than what an apparently injured self-identity accuses her of saying, we might get somewhere. But they never do.

Will there be coffee in the post-agriculture utopia?

No

Surely that depends where we live? I have arthritis, there's not a chance I'll be hunter/gathering in the UK, but maybe somewhere warmer would be a smidge more likely...?

The original thread has been super useful to a lot of people and it really wouldn't be good for it to be taken down because a bunfight broke out, which is why it was suggested that the discussion be moved to a new thread.

But OP, you seem to not realise that for society as it is, right now, to return to hunter gatherer, will require and result in the deaths of billions of people.

Will there be coffee in the post-agriculture utopia?

We'll never know. 'Cause we won't have means of communication, let alone shipping routes, that could connect us to the places, where it might grow.