Women on the left are responsible for austerity

[CarrotyO]

I've heard it said that women on the left actually support and are therefore in some way responsible for austerity. This is because both Labour and the Tories support austerity. Therefore any woman who supports Labour, or the Left in general, also knowingly and consciously supports austerity and are therefore also responsible for the 1000s of deaths of disabled people caused by austerity. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Yeah, she still says she can't help seeing Miranda as a woman somehow. Lisa also apparently focusses very much on male pattern abusive behaviour in her judgement (socialization), judging from her vids. So?

The people who are making it all about themselves are those who like this one particluar childless Labour&WPUK woman whine about stuff like feeling excluded, because Yvette Cooper's report dared to prominently mention that mothers are disproportionally affected by austerity. Said woman appears to be rather well off, not particularly struck by austerity.. but she was still miffed that the report didn't center 'women like her', apparently. Says it all, really.

But WPUK was still only formed this time last year. Not "years" ago. So you rewrote that history.

Bex Stinton ?

Bex Stinson

https://mobile.twitter.com/BexStinsonn_

Really hate how MN adds extra random letters to links sometimes:

Bex Stinson
@Bex_Stinson

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No history re-written at all. FPFW became an official thing about a year ago but was about unofficially as a discussion group on various sites for eons beforehand.

The main point being missed is that while women on MN and in other places were earnestly discussing all of this for a number of years, Lisa wasn’t a part of it at all. And now she comes in on the coat tails of women who have actually done some RL work beyond being keyboard warriors, demands they dance to her tune and gets exceptionally nasty when they don’t comply.

We were talking about WPUK.

No history re-written at all. FPFW became an official thing about a year ago but was about unofficially as a discussion group on various sites for eons beforehand.

This is gas lighting par excellance. FPFW has never been the issue here.

Unless the OP would like to ask MNHQ to change the thread title to "We Hate Lisa" it would be great if we could talk about something other than how much people hate Lisa.

Oh please post on Mumsnet again Lisa.

I haven't got a fucking clue what this thread's about and I haven't got time to get to grips with it, but I love your videos and I bet I'd love lots of your posts.

Please post on MN.

The issue is women on the left and austerity. And CarrotyO’s questions have not been answered.

But to get back to her point, it’s fatuous to suggest that anyone consciously supports austerity/the deaths of thousands of disabled people.

Disagreeing with this narrative is neither abusive, ignorant or wrong. It doesn’t mean you have a blind spot or are an unthinking tribalist. It’s just a different point of view, that’s all.

Maybe the rest of us could start a new thread to talk about the various women's groups addressing trans stuff and how it impacts women, since this one is clearly a lost cause.

Yeah, including rants even about her writing style, I mean ... glasshouses come to mind.

Note to all: as long as we remain trapped in a society of agriculture that uses glass houses, the rules about glass houses and stones still stand!

you conflate the terms 'support' and 'faciliate'. one implies a conscious act, the other does not. you did that inadvertently, right?

"FPFW became an official thing about a year ago"

Nope. I already said the website has existed for two years.
Which is entirely irrelevant anyway. I just don't like inaccuracies

Lovely, are you the OP?

I wonder as Lisa was on about squirrel earlier and you're named "lovely bit of terf". Plus this is your first thread and the OP seems to have gone, while you've taken the argumentative/contrarian torch up from her/him.

Agreed, beyond. Facts matter. (Just not every fact matters for every argument, as you also implied).

Lovely, are you the OP?

Yes I wondered that too. Except that Lovely references the OP as a separate person whose question needs to be answered. So it obviously can't be true, I guess.

Obviously.

Aside - did you know that multiple personality disorder was the last big "identity" thing before some of the same people decided they were trans? They call themselves "multiples". Some believe that they have fictional characters and/or historical figures living in their heads.

I’ve posted before just not very frequently because there’s a lot of bad faith in here which is understandable.

(The internet has taught me so much about how profoundly weird humans can be, and how desperately many people search for something to hang their sense of identity on.)

Indeed.

I think there are a few misunderstandings here.

WPUK are not a membership organisation, but a campaign. (Originally conceived as an 'emergency' short-lived campaign for a consultation planned in autumn 2017. Who would ever imagine that we'd all still be here, having fended that consultation off for a whole year and giving us all time to educate, raise awareness, mobilise and prepare better?). Info on structure and funding here womansplaceuk.org/funding/ Note, the invitation to ask WPUK directly if there are questions.

Are WPUK 'Labour women'? There is confusion between the Labour Party and the wider labour movement (including trade unions). WPUK have always been totally open about the trade union background of its founders. It is upfront in the founding statement here: drive.google.com/file/d/0B4hJVribfFSUc2Q3VTJoYi1RWjQ/view Some in WPUK are members of the Labour Party. Some are members of other parties or none.

WPUK has made guidance on the GRA consultation available which is accessible to and useful for anyone completing the consultation, irrespective of their party political affiliations. womansplaceuk.org/wpuk-guidance-on-gra-consultation/

Judith Green will be at FiLiA Conference in Manchester in a panel on Feminist campaigns speaking about WPUK - I'm sure there'll be a Q&A filia.org.uk/speakers-2018/2018/9/6/judith-green

Yvette Cooper's report dared to prominently mention that mothers are disproportionally affected by austerity.

The main reason austerity is/was gendered is because of working class single mothers. It's not like there were greater benefit reductions for women than for men, or only women's health services were cut, or only women's legal aid was cut.

Austerity wasn't so much gendered as single mothered. Poor women bringing up children on their own got hammered by almost every cut, while almost everyone else (including women like me) just saw a bit of it.

(Disabled people were hammered by lots of cuts and service reductions at the same time and are/were the other group to be ridiculously disproportionately impacted).