Women on the left are responsible for austerity

[CarrotyO]

I've heard it said that women on the left actually support and are therefore in some way responsible for austerity. This is because both Labour and the Tories support austerity. Therefore any woman who supports Labour, or the Left in general, also knowingly and consciously supports austerity and are therefore also responsible for the 1000s of deaths of disabled people caused by austerity. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Why the fuck has this thread that was started to discuss a fairly interesting statement about the culpability of left leaning women in austerity, made by someone who is increasingly becoming a public figure in the radical feminist movement, has become an all out attack on the person who started the thread and derailed. Totally ad hominem. Id have expected these tactics from TRAs, not on the FWR board tbh.

It is really interesting. I guess if you took the insights on board you would conclude that if we ever did (extremely unlikely but...) overturn class society and we lived in harmony with the natural world we’d probably have a more animist spirituality. People used to venerate the natural world.

They are bullies

A great deal of the "nastiness" in this thread has come from you, OP. Remove the mote in your own eye first and all that. You're coming across as focused on smiting Lisa to an extent that's really quite alarming to behold.

I agree carroty, the idea of earth/nature having any sort of "essence" makes more sense to me personally than a mystical omnipotent being. Was why I asked :)

Same beyond. Religions are a reflection of human relationships in society

I do tend to think that animistic religions are sort of the "natural" default setting for societies that live relatively close to nature, given awareness of natural rhythms and all that. Now that the patriarchal religions exist though I don't see them just meekly vanishing.

But then when one heads into the realm of criticising patriarchal religion, they find themselves still being called racist by their own peers, months later....

angry I am not smiting Lisa, I am questioning one of her assertions that she made in the previous thread and again in this thread. I haven’t said anything nasty to anyone

Those tweets were not questioning religion, they were bashing Muslims

Our Muslim sisters

Sorry but I disagree, the way you've spoken to and about Lisa in both this thread and the last one has been extremely hostile and aggressive.

I have questioned, and disagreed with, her stated views and smears

Copy and paste the comment you found aggressive

Comments, multiple. If you thought they were fine when you made them then posting them for you again isn't going to change your mind (and also I am not anyone's secretary).

Ok well I don’t recall making any ad hominems or making any points really other than questioning and disagreeing with certain points made

Misrepresenting what someone has said and continuing to do so even after the fact that you're misrepresenting them is pointed out is an act of aggression.

I don't get any of that I'm afraid.
We haven't had austerity yet and we may not. If we do it will be because of mismanagement by present and previous government - and it won't last.

oh well the sycophants are out.

Right. So she is smearing someone and undermining a campaign group in this critical time without providing any evidence to back up her claims.

You conveniently forgot to quote the part about Lisa saying she has no issues backing her claims up any time if this is required. Anyone knowing her you tube channel will take her by her word. So...

Carrot: I'm objecting to Lisa saying A.
Us: Lisa actually said B.
Carrot: So nobody disagrees with Lisa saying A then?

Or

Carrot: I think Posie is Islamophobic.
Us: She might be or she might not be but we should have this out within GC feminism, not kick Posie out of GC feminism.
Carrot: So you're all racists too then.

And on and on it goes. When it stops nobody knows!

AngryAttackKittens

Thanks for that, that was my take on WTAF is going on. I’m relieved to know I am actually managing to keep up!

She literally quoted lisa, she didnt misrepresent anything. Not on this thread anyway (didnt finish reading the entire other thread, but that was about something else anyway). This is a brand new thread and she asked to discuss this particular statement, which apparently cant be done because why?

It has been discussed, but unfortunately for the OP people do keep noticing that she's substituting what she'd like Lisa to have said for what Lisa actually said.

Not just you, Lurkakus. This thread has been half Alice in Wonderland while on acid, half unpleasant memories of gaslighting former boyfriends.

Right. So she is smearing someone and undermining a campaign group in this critical time without providing any evidence to back up her claims.

I think what I've understood is that there is a difference in opinion on approach but agreement generally on the majority of values. And that there is a need for multiple groups who represent a slightly different group, have slightly different priorities and slightly different approaches to all coexist and work towards the end goal.

Let us not forget the difference between suffragettes and suffragists.

Ultimately both played a role - a different one - but arguably one without the other would not have succeeded.