BABCP and their Women and Gender Minorites Equality Special Interest Group

[No1inparticular]

That is a long title, apologies!

I am a secret terf working in the NHS. This is my accrediting body (British Association of Behavioural and Cognitive Psychotherapists). I came across this article and sighed internally. And then thought Ffs at them merrily using TERF and not understanding the POINT of Get The L Out.

I am new to Mumsnet, I am not a mum, but you lot seem very very sensible.

I am trying to work out how to attach a photo of the article. Please hold!

I am too new! I will attach a photo in 2 days.

Welcome

It seems to me (sorry no insult to you) that the psychotherapy professions aren't great at looking at societal pressures and ramifications of ideologies. Up their own arses

No insult taken! I want to think about how to yank them out of their arises in relation to this article.

Welcome op

I look forward to seeing the pic

Can you summarise what the article is? nosey

could you post a link to the article, or is it subscription only?

It's not subscription only, but isn't up on their site yet. I will type it for you! Not all of it, as my fingers will drop off...

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We have seen the explosive power of the #meetoo movement, been stunned by the magnitude of the pay gap and welcomed admissions of regret from Stonewall, Britain's biggest campaigner for lesbian, gay and bisexual rights, for failing to work for trans equality in the past.

This latter development is hugely important. The level of inequality and discrimination against trans and non binary people is alarming. According to stonewall's LGBT in Britain - Trans report published in January 2018, one in eight trans people have been physically attacked by a colleague or a customer in the past year. Half of trans people have hidden their ide toy at work for fear of discrimination and a quarter of trans people have experienced homelessness. this years London pride celebrations were disrupted by trans-exclusionary radical feminists carrying highly offensive placards and the consultation on the Gender Recognition Act has coincided with a disturbing rise in transphobic hate crimes

There is more about women as well as racism stuff, but that's the bit that made me eye roll and want to write a stern letter.

Highly offensive placards saying things like Woman = adult human female.

They're on twitter @BABCPW

I know! So terribly offensive.

And from an organisation that accredits cbt therapists, who are meant to help people to think realistically about themselves, others and the world. And are meant to work out WHY people might hate their bodies. Ffs we can be quite effective at working with people with BDD.

Just wanted to say welcome. Will be interested to discuss this more as BACP have published some Damaging crap on this recently.

I saw the BACP rubbish, and was momentarily smug as the BABCP hadn't been immense tits. And then they ruined that smugness

A warm welcome! There are lots of other non-mums here.

Is non-mum offensive? Should I say assigned spinster at birth? Maybe I'm a trans mum because I'm not a mum but am cross at the fact I perceive mums have privileges and want a slice of that pie. You will all let me into NCT classes and give me access to a birthing pool for a spa day once in a while

Yes! Let me into your hypnobirthing classes! Let me into messy play!

oh balls. I knew this was coming after that BACP shite, but it's disappointing all the same.

As you say OP, I just don't understand how with some disorders our aim is to help people accept themselves and their bodies for who they are and to find the intrinsic value in that, yet for gender dysphoria we have to collude in the oppression?

Absolute batshit.

Hi OP (& welcome!)

I’m also a BABCP member, working in the NHS. I’ve have been challenging some of the policies in my own NHS trust relating to transgender patients / single sex spaces.

I saw this article too and was so irritated. I challenged the BACP about their stance (though i’m not a member) but they wouldn’t engage in a dialogue.

I don’t know if i’ll Do the same eiry the BABCP, because at the moment I feel totally worn down by it, and professionally quite vulnerable.

I’m having a series of meetings at work this week about my concerns around safeguarding, so i’ll see how I feel after that. At the moment I feel I can only tackle one organisation at a time 😔

It’s upsetting though. I thought CBT-ers were far too sensible and pragmatic to buy into this ridiculous narrative 😉.

I think there is something you may be missing here. There are some people who genuinely have huge mental health problems. Part or all of which may lead them to identify as trans. Now if they are the only type of trans people that they know and they see huge levels of discrimination against them, can you really blame them for thinking feminists are more than a bit off complaining about them?

If you do write a stern letter, it may be better trying To empathise with the trans community, whilst highlighting the misogynistic community that is trying to use the transcommunity as a human shield.

I do get what you're saying, midgebabe. But these are people who should be reading more than one point of view and not immediately jumping to conclusions about lesbians protesting at pride. I will definitely be measured if I reply.

I just don't think this is even being thought about at all, let alone in a balanced way, in nhs therapy world.

Good luck, exasperatedtherapist! I am hiding a bit (a lot), which is embarrassing really.

There were 8 lesbian women. 8 middle aged, calm, rational women. Handing out leaflets . The hyperbole around this is extraordinary

There is a whole world between should and do!. The less face people have to lose the more likely you are to win any argument. ..I really wish you best of luck , it's not the type of thing I am good at myself!

This is the second time I have read that crimes against transwomen have increased since GRA consultation. Is there any evidence of this?

Quick search brought up an article in the independent from a few years ago. This suggests that there has been a huge increase in the number of reported transphobic crimes reported. And a decrease in the number of prosecutions.

Also

Hate crimes in general up 29% 2016-2017

2% of hate crimes transgender, as opposed to 11% homophobic

35% increase in transphobic hate crimes compared to 53% increase in disability hate crimes

However the increase is believe to be primarily better reporting not a genuine increase ( unlike the race/religious hate crimes)

Misogynistic hate not recoreddd centrally.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/652136/hate-crime-1617-hosb1717.pdf