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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The DM are running a story re. why 'so many girls want to be boys'

42 replies

JoggerBottom · 16/09/2018 03:50

Just that really. I'm sorry I can't link right now.
It states that the government have ordered an investigation.

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IAmLurkacus · 16/09/2018 09:02

I’m with the daily mail all the way here. The guardian is the misogynistic, biased shitrag that I’ve refused for years to click on. People believing and reading the abhorrent propaganda they publish calling victims of CSE ‘sex workers’ need to be fucking ashamed of themselves.

Starkstaring · 16/09/2018 09:03

Girls are more likely to be undiagnosed if they are autistic. They are sometimes gender non conforming. They can find it difficult to understand their own emotions, and be way behind their peers in terms of emotional maturity. It is not hard to see how a lifetime of not knowing why it is you don't fit in and suffering hugely with anxiety, you would think you have been born in the wrong body.

There have been some very eloquent autistic women on these boards who have described how they would have done anything to change gender when they were in their twenties. But it wasn't a possibility. They are all glad that it wasn't.

Now it is seen as a human rights violation to deny medical transition and transphobic to consider other therapies for dealing with the distress of gender dysphoria, or to look at alternative explanations.

Coupled with social media normalising and celebrating body modification, it's a perfect storm.

The actual human rights violation is the sterlilsation of non-conforming / non neurotypical young people, the majority girls.

But the overall rise is also important - there are boys and young men out there too who are being misled into thinking that transition is answer to their problems.

MargaretCavendish · 16/09/2018 09:22

To be honest I think I would have thought about it when I was a teenager if it had felt like an option. I would have been too afraid of rocking the boat/upsetting my parents to do it, but I'd have thought about it. I remember wishing that I didn't have a physical body at all so that no one would judge me on it and because I felt so uncomfortable in my own skin, and this could have felt like a way out of that. It would have been something that I massively regretted a few years later, but I can imagine wanting it in my mid to late teens.

BoreOfWhabylon · 16/09/2018 09:33

I see that the article is by Glen Owen, the new Political Editor, whose appointment appointment was anounced for days ago.

Thanks Glen, if you're reading. More like this please.

BoreOfWhabylon · 16/09/2018 09:34

Gah! His appointment was announced four days ago.

Datun · 16/09/2018 09:47

The problem now is who is going to be doing the investigating.

CallingDannyBoy · 16/09/2018 09:57

I think (hope) they are setting up an investigation as they know self ID is a bad idea but they need some evidence to back away from he idea. The investigation gives them time, the media coverage on the issues is changing and hopefully it will continue in the same way, and then evidence on which they can rely and use it to counter accusations of transphobia.

This is what I hope but let’s see who is doing the investigation and who they consult. I hope they includes Mermaids etc so that their arguments can be exposed to cold, hard logic and it counters accusations of an unfair investigation.

TransposersArePosers · 16/09/2018 10:15

There is a way of contacting the online edition of the Daily Mail to highlight factual inaccuracies, which I have just done. Hopefully they'll change the headline to reflect the content of the article.

www.dailymail.co.uk/home/contactus/article-3701145/Factual-Inaccuracies.html

JackyHolyoake · 16/09/2018 10:26

Maybe now the government should also sponsor James Caspian to do his research into detransitioners.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 16/09/2018 10:29

The problem now is who is going to be doing the investigating

I agree, but probably have more faith in systems of public inquiry than many here. The government are not completely stupid and I am sure that May and other key parliamentarians have been appropriately briefed. I'd not be as sure if this was about self ID, but it isn't - it goes deeper than that and even the thickest can see that a 4000% increase needs investigating and that 'heads might roll' if medical and surgical interventions happen when they are not needed - governments don't really like dealing with preventable crises.

TransposersArePosers · 16/09/2018 10:39

It's the surgical interventions which I find most disturbing - for girls to 'pass' they are far more likely to have surgery compared to boys who can probably get away with make up and a padded bra.

Echobelly · 16/09/2018 21:41

I find it interesting that I know a number of girls who declared themselves to be out-and-proud lesbians in their early teens, but turned out not to be gay in the long run. I'm wondering if being trans is the new version of this - you have a crush on a girlfriend, and you think maybe this means you're trans and actually being trans would be quite cool, you get to choose a new name and all everyone to use a different pronoun and sure, you'll get crap from some people, but lots of other people will validate you and say you're brave etc. And it's not a conscious deception, they convince themselves of it.

Or they are understandably frightened of becoming a sexually mature woman in a pornified world.

I do think bring trans is real, indeed I have a cousin who is trans male and has lived as such for more than 30 years. But it's actually very small number of people; a school should not have multiple girls saying they are actually male. We shouldn't be teaching kids they can 'choose' their sex, rather than that there is a small number of people who are trans and we should support them in living their lives, and that we don't have to conform to certain looks or behaviours just because of gender expectations.

Starkstaring · 17/09/2018 08:23

Re surgery - it seems that if you are born female and identify as non-binary then you also aspire to a double mastectomy - if you are born male and non binary then there is no surgery. And this is seen as progressive

CarolinePooter · 17/09/2018 09:00

No mention today in The Guardian print version. I don't see anything online, but perhaps I've missed it? They must send their journalists to North Korea for training.

TerfsUp · 17/09/2018 11:15

This paper has the courage to call out abuse. To conduct investigative journalism, to call a transwoman a man.

Well put.

TerfsUp · 17/09/2018 11:16

No mention today in The Guardian print version.

Of course not. It goes against transideology, of which The Guardian is a leading proponent.

Starkstaring · 18/09/2018 00:11

Well The Guardian at least is reporting the fact that autistic women and girls are going undiagnosed.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/14/thousands-of-autistic-girls-and-women-going-undiagnosed-due-to-gender-bias

They've made the link to eating disorders but not to gender dysphoria... or did they just not report it?
If anyone can link to the research which formed the basis for the article I'd be very grateful.

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