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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stonewall: 100 per cent white, 95 per cent male

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theOtherPamAyres · 15/09/2018 21:34

Stonewall would probably argue some of its staff identify as black and that there is an over-representation of feminine genders, so that's alright then.

Taken from the Tweet of @GNCmaninpink

Stonewall: 100 per cent white, 95 per cent male
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R0wantrees · 16/09/2018 10:52

from Miranda Yardley's previous FB link there is a comment about the photograph:

"It was actually taken at the first open forum that Ruth Hunt held with UK trans people"

Melamin · 16/09/2018 13:00

This is quite eye-opening. I always thought Stonewall was about gay people. They don't seem to be on that page any more, and have moved somewhere else.

They seem to hold a lot of sway over public opinion and government policy (never mind all those Stonewall school awards)

Powerful lobbying groups need some sort of accountability, especially when they are receiving money from the government to do Big Society stuff (as brought in by D Cameron). The secret trustees are Hmm

Bolloxio · 16/09/2018 15:58

This is quite eye-opening. I always thought Stonewall was about gay people. They don't seem to be on that page any more, and have moved somewhere else.

Stonewall say that to be same SEX attracted is transphobic these days. You must be attracted to 'genders' else you are a bigot. Its ridiculous really.

VickyEadie · 16/09/2018 17:00

Stonewall say that to be same SEX attracted is transphobic these days. You must be attracted to 'genders' else you are a bigot. Its ridiculous really.

Have you got a link to them saying that or a reference? because I would dearly love to send it to my gay nephew who has pretty much cut me off for not agreeing with his TWAW stance.

womanintrousers · 16/09/2018 17:10

What does 'consider themselves to be disabled" mean?
Is that like considering yourself to be a different gender?

I am disabled, it doesn't make any bloody difference what I think about it?!

Dakinis · 16/09/2018 17:16

FYI to the people suggesting Stonewall is erasing gay people, they are in fact trying to recruit more heterosexual staff to make the organisation balanced. That is why the figures published don't mention gay staff - it is a given the majority of staff will be gay.
As you can imagine it is an appealing place to work if you are LGBT.

gendercritter · 16/09/2018 17:22

I am disabled, it doesn't make any bloody difference what I think about it?!

I know! I'm quite tempted to stop considering myself as having a disability from now on. Will crack on with going hiking again from next weekend and might pop out a couple of babies next year now I'll be well enough to look after them.

CrackpotsArePots · 16/09/2018 17:25

Current thread about Stonewall

HotRocker · 16/09/2018 17:25

It is most certainly not an appealing place to work for a lesbian. Every time I see Stonewall banging on about LGBT rights I want to scream.
Twaw not twat, that has given me a laugh.

Turph · 16/09/2018 17:45

Ruth Hunt ought to be ashamed of herself.

VickyEadie · 16/09/2018 17:46

Ruth Hunt ought to be ashamed of herself.

That group of people is extremely large, so she'd be in good company.

theOtherPamAyres · 16/09/2018 18:31

So it's the Trans Advisory Group that is 100 per cent white and 95% male, is it?

It's this inaugural group that represented the most oppressed, marginalised group in society and which requires society to change laws and language to accommodate them? White men?

Thanks for the correction from Miranda Yardley. Somehow, the correction just reinforces my perception of what that photograph depicts.

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Turph · 16/09/2018 18:46

That group of people is extremely large, so she'd be in good company.
No I single Ruth out. She prides herself on being an intelligent butch lesbian but she's had the wool pulled over her eyes and she's thrown gay and lesbian people under the bus. Why? Because it was easy, and arguing against TRA overreach is hard. Because there's money in trans, and lesbians are famously skint. Because trans women are stunning and brave and actual women are a bit passé. She's got the power to turn this oil tanker round but she won't, because of her ego and her cowardice. I'm calling Ruth Hunt out. She should be ashamed of herself. She would have been transed if she was 14 today, she knows that. I would have been, too. She needs to examine her self hatred and own it, and get over it.

VickyEadie · 16/09/2018 18:50

Turph

Fair points, well made.

Dakinis · 16/09/2018 18:58

... or alternatively Ruth Hunt is a strong woman who knows her own mind and is passionate about LGBT unity.

Always the women who get attacked for being trans allies.

Turph · 16/09/2018 19:03

or alternatively Ruth Hunt is a strong woman who knows her own mind and is passionate about LGBT unity
Unity? That has to be by consent. Otherwise it's a takeover.

Turph · 16/09/2018 19:04

Always the women who get attacked for being trans allies And this? If Ben Summerskill had been presiding over this shower of shit I'd have called him out for it too. So don't come at me with disingenuous bullshit.

Dakinis · 16/09/2018 19:12

Going with the majority opinion is not a takeover. The huge LwiththeT movement makes it clear what the majority opinion is.

vaginafetishist · 16/09/2018 19:14

I recognise a woman I know there, no it's not staff, it's the trans group. Just reverse what you think each person is trying to represent with hair and clothes and you can see there are men and women there.

CrackpotsArePots · 16/09/2018 19:16

Ruth Hunt is being criticised for being a trans ally because it's on her watch that people are going into schools and educating children who are not old enough to understand gender that they have gender dysphoria if they don't adhere to stereotypes, and telling them there's a cure for it

Ruth Hunt is being criticised because it's women, and lesbian women who are disproportionately affected by the sexual abuse, sexual harassment and porny culture that leads to mental health problems and dysphoria in the first place

Ruth Hunt is being criticised because having been the recipient of single sex education, she now wishes male-bodied people to be allowed into single sex female spaces, thus pulling the drawbridge up behind her

Ruth Hunt is being criticised because she has not said a *word8 about her employee Aimee Challoner and Aimee's puppet master vile paedophile rapist dad.

CrackpotsArePots · 16/09/2018 19:18

... so forgive me if I don't get my violin out about criticising a woman. She is an adult. She has agency and responsibilty

vaginafetishist · 16/09/2018 19:23

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Wd14bixutu8

This looks interesting.

CrackpotsArePots · 16/09/2018 19:30

vagina

Thanks for linking

Stonewall was not started by two trans women. They were lesbians

Trans activists love to trans lesbians, retrospectively.

Dakinis · 16/09/2018 19:43

Thanks for the link, cockles well and truly warmed.

Find it hard to see why people would argue with the sentiment.

CrackpotsArePots · 16/09/2018 19:56

Because gender and sexuality have nothing to do with each other.