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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ruth Hunt: Stonewall CEO

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TimeLady · 15/09/2018 14:57

uk.linkedin.com/in/ruth-hunt-54a4456

Student politics at Oxford

Eighteen months with
www.ecu.ac.uk/about-us/

then straight into Stonewall in 2005

She's as much a career politician as those in the HoC, who have never experienced work on the outside. Hardly surprising that she embraced the T when the LGB 'fight' was effectively over. What would she be doing now otherwise?

Continuing the 'fight' for diversity could well be viewed as another job creation scheme. Why would those involved ever want it to be over?

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OvaHere · 15/09/2018 22:41

Also just noticed that the comment section is still there on the Guardian article I posted. Bet that wouldn't happen now.

Interesting commentary. Some are quite critical which confirms my thoughts about the clashes with gay men.

R0wantrees · 15/09/2018 23:01

As I was embracing a new community, Stonewall and Press for Change activists and campaigners (as well as many others) were working tirelessly on our behalf to eradicate inequalities

Press for Change's influence has been considerable.

R0wantrees · 15/09/2018 23:06

Although I didn't know she was Catholic, and I'm as hmm about that as I am about that Trans health bod that R0wan often links to the video of and whose name escapes me being Catholic also

FloraBunting Tara Hewitt(co-founder of TELI, NHS diversity consultant)

HCP training session, 'Trans People & Cancer'

Interview: 'What it's like to be Transgender and Catholic
Tara Hewitt, NHS equality and diversity advisor, doesn't believe in abortion or IVF but says it doesn't affect her job' www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/what-its-like-transgender-catholic-10810323

TimeLady · 16/09/2018 04:22

Stephen Whittle:

In 1992, along with Mark Rees, the actress Myka Scott and the airline pilot Krystyna Sheffield, he founded and became vice-president of Press for Change, the most successful Trans political lobby group in the world, to date. He still is one of the vice-presidents (there is no president, and never has been as it is a consensus group), and Press for Change has gone from being the most unlikely group to succeed, to being called as early as 1994 'one of the most successful lobby groups seen in the last 25 years' by Lord Alex Carlile,Baron Carlile of Berriew at the reading of his Gender Reassignment Bill, which failed and which, according to Whittle, would have made dreadful law, but "for 40 minutes members of parliament discussed trans people which without it, would have never happened".

lgbt.wikia.com/wiki/Stephen_Whittle

Why am I not surprised to see those particular fingers in the pie?

Stephen bloody Whittle of Yogyakarta Principles fame.

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TimeLady · 16/09/2018 04:26

Press for Change fronted by the Stonewall brand. It's starting to make sense.

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CrackpotsArePots · 16/09/2018 05:32

Ova here. That article is really enlightening. And I agree with you analysis of it. As a woman she was under a lot of pressure from men, until she decided to become an advocate of the trans identifying ones, who gave her the endorsement she needed to prop her up. I just wonder ast the cognitive dissonance she experiences.

R0wantrees · 16/09/2018 10:42

2013 significant Guardian article about formation of Press for Change:

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

R0wantrees · 16/09/2018 12:53

2014 Telegraph article 'Facebook's 71 gender options come to UK users
Following its successful integration in the US, US Facebook users can choose from one of 50 gender options'
(extract)
"Facebook worked with UK groups Press for Change and Gendered Intelligence to add 21 new options to ensure the list best reflected the ways UK users may choose to describe themselves.

"Gender identities are complex and for many people, describing themselves as just a man or just a woman has always been inadequate," said Professor Stephen Whittle, vice-president at Press for Change. The European Court of Human Rights has upheld the right to develop our gender identity, as key to our personal autonomy.

"By challenging the gender binary, Facebook will finally allow thousands of people to describe themselves as they are now and it will allow future generation of kids to become truly comfortable in their own skins." (continues)

www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10930654/Facebooks-71-gender-options-come-to-UK-users.html

R0wantrees · 17/09/2018 15:29

The i has reported on the government enquiry into the numbers of children and young people being treated at Tavistock GIDs.

In the article a Stonewall representative is quoted.

One hopes that as well as looking into the support given by GIDs, the enquiry will also look into the support etc given to children from other organisations/ charities including Stonewall, Mermaids etc and not restrict the enquiry to NHS provision.

(extract)

"Paul Twocock, director of campaigns, policy and research at Stonewall, the LGBT charity, said: “Understanding more about the experiences of young trans people and their families, and of the support they are getting, is a good thing.

When young people access support, they’re looking for exactly that: support. They want someone to talk things through with, someone who can understand their thoughts and feelings, and help them to have those conversations. Of those young people, a very small number may go on to identify as trans, but many more won’t. “For those who find it impossible to reconcile who they are with the sex they’ve been given at birth, ongoing age-appropriate care and support is vital.”

A source in the Government Equalities Office told the Mail on Sunday: “There has been a substantial increase in the number of individuals assigned female at birth being referred to the NHS. There is evidence that this trend is happening in other countries as well. Little is known, however, about why this is and what are the long-term impacts.” The Gender Identity Development Service, based at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust in Camden, north London, is the only such facility for under-18s in England and Wales. It has as second office in Leeds. The review is expected to look at the long-term impacts of the assessment and support that young people receive from the service. The Equalities Office said that the parameters of the research had not yet been confirmed, but would be made public “in due course”.

inews.co.uk/news/nhs-gender-identity-service-child-referrals-transgender-identification/

Annandale · 17/09/2018 16:11

I don't think i can stand hearing one more GOVERNMENT source refer to 'sex assigned at birth' as if it is actually a thing.

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CrackpotsArePots · 17/09/2018 18:06

Annandale

Yep. Filled in my LA Equality consultations and corrected them on the absolute guff

pamish · 17/09/2018 18:18

I saw Angie Mason, first Stonewall president, the other night. I was busting to ask her what she thinks of it now, but I decided that would be too cruel.
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MindTheMinotaur · 17/09/2018 18:42

When we talk to teachers and doctors and managers we tell them how they can start to create an environment that lets people be themselves. Trans people, who all too often have to fight to express themselves and their gender in a way that’s authentic...We can achieve so much by standing together so that each and every one of us can be ourselves in all areas of our lives.

I don't understand the emphasis on being your authentic self. I have never worked anywhere my authentic self would have been accepted. Smile, look normal, never complain Grin

Turph · 17/09/2018 19:47

I met Ruth once, years ago. She seemed like a regular lesbian to me. Didn't talk about work.
I cannot understand how she has squared throwing lesbians under a bus with her previous work. How you can be educated, articulate, on a steep career trajectory and then suddenly change course, say bollocks to lesbian women and to gay men and throw your lot in with enbies, furries, the Challoners, cross-dressing straight men who say they are trans women and therefore women...
I could understand a bit if she'd been influenced by HSTS people who've had a tough time of it, but no - all the niches are covered, "woman" doesn't mean anything, "lesbian" doesn't mean anything, Stonewall sit on a fat fund of millions unspent each year... Maybe I'm just an idiot, maybe she never gave a flying fuck in the first place and I just assumed she did because it was her job.

vaginafetishist · 17/09/2018 20:37

Yes, Angela Mason, I often wonder what she thinks.

HermioneWeasley · 17/09/2018 20:42

She’s a fucking disgrace. I dont know how she can look herself in the mirror

NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay · 17/09/2018 22:09

Ruth seems to have a long term fan in the shape of Edward Lord.

edwardlord.org/2014/01/28/stonewall-a-new-dawn-for-the-uks-top-lgbt-equality-campaign/

He really does keep popping up everywhere. Does anyone have the trello board?

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 17/09/2018 22:39

Oh Edward. How surprising. Its been about a day since he's popped up linked to something that just doesn't seem... quite right.

R0wantrees · 17/09/2018 22:56

Oh Edward. How surprising. Its been about a day since he's popped up linked to something that just doesn't seem... quite right.

Edward Lord who celebrated with his 'old friend' John Bercow (Speaker of the House of Commons) 'on his being admitted as a Freeman of the City of London by special nomination'?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3365319-new-kirkup-article-about-bercow-s-refusal-to-let-mps-discuss-karen-white?pg=5#prettyPhoto/0/

Edward Lord the Freemason?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/04/two-freemasons-lodges-operating-secretly-at-westminster

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323475-Surprise-The-Masons-now-welcome-Transwomen-but-not-women

Edward Lord responsible for the City of London Corporation's consultation to make all services and spaces mixed sex (incl Hampstead Pools)?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317922-City-of-London-Corporation-consultation-is-out-this-covers-Hampstead-Ponds

Edward Lord who is non-binary?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3316098-Childrens-Convenor-Elected-Councillor-calls-women-cunts-on-Twitter-rants

Edward Lord whose partner Dr Meg John Barker wrote the BACP Best Practice Guide and collaberates with Justine 'Bish' Hancock?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3356199-New-OU-Course-on-gender-identity
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339137-BACP-Gender-Sexual-and-Relationship-Diversity-by-Dr-Meg-John-Barker

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3357713-BISH-proudly-supported-by

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3352843-First-there-was-Jess-Bradley-then-the-Challenors-now-Edward-Lord

I think there may be threads about Edward Lord's involvement with Swim England and the FA too.... diversity and equality mainly.

AngryAttackKittens · 18/09/2018 01:07

I may be asking a stupid question here, but as someone who attended a girls school and a women's college, why is she lobbying change to this set-up?

I think the word you're looking for is "selfish".

TimeLady · 18/09/2018 06:39

She said in one article that Shami Chakrabati was someone she admired . Maybe she sees herself as a baroness too

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Ereshkigal · 18/09/2018 08:13

Oh Edward. How surprising. Its been about a day since he's popped up linked to something that just doesn't seem... quite right.

This.

HermioneWeasley · 18/09/2018 17:56

Edward lord who called a paedophile advocate and member of PIE a “hero”?

NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay · 18/09/2018 20:00

Yep - that Edward Lord. He's a very busy boy with lots of fingers in lots of pies.

TimeLady · 19/09/2018 06:14

Just a random thought...
We know males will self ID as women and call themselves 'trans' without making physical changes to their bodies. Do you think the reverse could happen too? It'd be a good way to hide in plain sight...

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