Double mastectomies for kids in the US

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U.S. Doctors are performing double mastectomies on healthy 13-year-old girls says the headline. The subhead continues:

Thirty-three of these girls were under 18 at the time of surgeries a taxpayer-funded researcher is studying to validate transgenderism. Two were only 13 years old, and five were only 14.

thefederalist.com/2018/09/12/u-s-doctors-performing-double-mastectomies-healthy-13-year-old-girls/

I have to admit my first reaction was to think thank god for the NHS, the cautious Tavistock and a different approach to medicine and consumerism. But I'm alright Jack (or Jill) is never a way of looking at the world that appeals to me long, and I know ROGD is probably as big a deal in the UK as in the US.

I hardly ever cry so the tears gathering behind my eyes must be something else. I'm outraged.

What the fuck gives anyone the right to deliberately mutilate young women? And this in one of the world's supposedly the most advanced countries?

The doctors doing this shit better stash all their ill gotten gains ready to flee the country when the law suits start flying. Or will these poor girls just be crushed into silence like so many girls and women are and always have been?

This is wholesale industrial child abuse. I can't bear it.

I actually think this who thing could lead to civil war sometimes.

Terrifying. I can’t help but draw parallels in my mind to disorders like anorexia (shall we start performing gastric bands and liposuction at their request now?!) or those patients who identify as limb amputees who beg surgeons to amputate perfectly healthy and fully functioning limbs.

It’s child abuse

Who is going to stand up and protect these Girls?

There isn’t actually a word to describe this , horrific and obscene just don’t adequately cover it.

This is what I don't get, it just seems to get worse and worse, why are people accepting this.

Christ.

So what we do know is that adolescents have the capacity to make a reasoned, logical decision.”

And compares it to choosing a college.

In a breathtaking dismissal of possible regret, Olson also said, “And here’s the other thing about chest surgery: If you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them.

This is a monster.

So, on the one hand we rage (rightly) about FGM on the other we see a sophisticated western democracy permanently mutilating children in the name of transgenderism.

I hope these dumb bozos have good lawyers - as sure as hell they are going to need them, especially in the sue crazy culture that is the US.

Sadly, US fashions cross the pond quite quickly.

It is deeply unethical and utterly immoral.

“And here’s the other thing about chest surgery: If you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them.

Absolutely! And they'll be fully-functioning for most circumstances under consideration.

Except for anyone who wishes to breastfeed. But, you know, you spend a very small amount of your life engaged in that function. And options such as formula are readily available.

Possibly the sexual sensitivity would be lacking.

And, as long as you keep on top of the need for replacement or possible as yet unknown long-term effects of having them for decades, there should be no health problems. Or, they'll be nugatory compared to the need for exogenous hormone therapy.

But aside from those considerations - for appearance, they'll be indistinguishable.

And what starts this off?

Signs can appear at a very young age e.g. a child refusing to wear typical clothes of their gender or taking part in non- typical games.

According to British Gymnastics.

Absolutely criminal.

What puzzles me is that humans have been "civilised" for centuries with resorting hacking bits off ourselves or suddenly deciding we are in the ""wrong" body.

TRAs say it's just because we would not acknowledge these deeply unhappy individuals in the past.

Bollocks. It goes along with anorexia, self-harm, trichotillomania and so on.

You have to question the sanity of WHO in their decision to say gender dysphoria is not a mental condition. What the hell is it then?

with = without

They're all so fucking craven.

The doctors doing this shit better stash all their ill gotten gains ready to flee the country when the law suits start flying.

A poster (georgefayne) who is a doc in the USA as far as I’m aware, made a really good point about this on a thread a little while back.

There’s a concept of ‘the standard of care’ which is basically the medically accepted way of dealing with something. That can change over time as research progresses. That can be good (for example delayed cord clamping at birth where safe to do so is now generally accepted practice.) but it can also be bad.

The point George made was that the standard of care is under huge pressure to shift, from TRAs themselves. They’ve already changed some of the DSM definitions for example and now they’re trying to get AGP removed as a ‘thing.’ There’s more on that in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3328210-Follow-the-money-who-is-funding-the-US-transborg

You’ve also got immense pressure to get the standard of care changed here - demedicalisation for adults, affirmative treatment only for kids etc. Blockers and hormones etc.

Why is this important and why am I waffling on about it? Well; the point about the standard of care is that it’s MUCH harder to sue someone if they are following it. IF we change to a default ‘affirm everyone, hormones and surgery for all’ approach then it could be argued that they were followingthe SOC.

Wheels within wheels

This is one of the examples of why language is so crucial. The cutesy 'top surgery' thing is completely oblique to anyone who doesn't understand. Mastectomy is the truth, and frankly, given the entire lack of actual need for this surgery, I would even be content with a blunt 'chopping off healthy breasts'.

So, what is going on is surgeons are lopping off the healthy breasts of young teen girls.

The West is utterly morally bankrupt.

So what we do know is that adolescents have the capacity to make a reasoned, logical decision.

Surely what we do know is that adolescents don't have the capacity to make a reasoned, logical decision. It's practically the definition of adolescence.

Bowl is right again. You can't sue a doctor for having performed a lobotomy, even though we understand how utterly barbaric they are, if that doctor can prove that they followed the standards of care present at the time.

Those poor, poor girls. What the hell were their parents thinking? How on earth can children of 13 or 14 possibly be equipped to make such a decision?

Reconstructed breasts are nothing like the originals. They have limited to zero sensation, for a start. They don't move. They don't "squoosh" into different bra shapes if you want to change your bra type for different outfits/activities. It's strongly recommended that women with reconstructed breasts avoid underwires, because they leave dents in the silicone.

I am pretty pissed off to see any future reconsideration waved off as, "Oh well, they can have the same treatment that cancer and BRCA patients have." What the hell.

Important to note about the standards of care which the gender specialists follow so slavishly - it relies on there being a secure diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

Up until the last few years, it was very rare for a teenager to develop GD. So the standards of care have not been developed with this cohort in mind. You can see this on the NHS choices website, where they refer either to adults, or to children whose dysphoria has persisted through puberty:

www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

"The first signs of gender dysphoria can appear at a very young age. For example, a child may refuse to wear typical boys' or girls' clothes, or dislike taking part in typical boys' or girls' games and activities.
In most cases, this type of behaviour is just part of growing up and will pass in time, but for those with gender dysphoria it continues through childhood and into adulthood.
Adults with gender dysphoria can feel trapped inside a body that doesn't match their gender identity".

No mention of teenagers.

So the clinicians treating these adolescents (in North America mainly), with "informed consent", may well find that the standards of care do not protect them if it turns out that these young people were not suffering from gender dysphoria, but that the distress was a symptom of something else.

The Endocrine Society in the US ends its summary of its guidelines with: "Clinicians should avoid harming individuals (via hormone treatment) who have conditions other than gender dysphoria/gender incongruence and who may not benefit from the physical changes associated with this treatment."

However, I do not hold out much hope in the short term as gender transition seems to trump everything else, including common sense and basic biology with some kind of religious fervour.

Lobotomies went out of fashion eventually. Maybe we can cling to that hope.

I am starting to think I am doing my DD a disservice by letting her dress and play how she likes. Should I push her towards girly girl stuff to protect her from this? So regressive.

So, on the one hand we rage (rightly) about FGM on the other we see a sophisticated western democracy permanently mutilating children in the name of transgenderism.

THIS.

Do they castrate boys or is it only girls they mutilate?

I am starting to think I am doing my DD a disservice by letting her dress and play how she likes. Should I push her towards girly girl stuff to protect her from this? So regressive. sad

Not sure if that was flippancy honeysucklejasmine, but if my children weren't already grown up, that would be my worry.

Which is why I think a generation is all it could take to categorise women as compliant and feminine people, irrespective of biology.

If that's a genuine worry, all I would advise is that you consistently maintain that sex categories are about biology, and nothing more.

And a side order of gender critical feminism, obvs!

Because non-compliant, nonconforming girls need strong support in the face of this ideology.

Disgusting and abhorrent. They will never get their healthy breast tissue back. Healthy breast tissue consigned to the incinerator.

Can you just imagine the outcry if these were testicles removed?

And yet many women cannot get sterilised under the age of 35.