Literal Violence

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Just to highlight the importance of proper pronoun usage, and the fact that using a pronoun which someone feels is not acceptable is indeed connected to literal violence.

www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/25/hr-confidential-an-employee-threatened-a-co-worker-at-knifepoint.html?__twitter_impression=true

I hope we can all take away something useful from this today.

At the time, the transgender woman happened to be slicing soap so there was a knife in her hand.

Really? Since when is slicing soap a thing in retail?
Perhaps the wrong take away in all this.

Lush?

Sure men and women can be bullies.

Still no excuse for threatening to kill them with a knife in the workplace.

"Some people, and 'people' includes women, see that someone is upset by something and they keep chipping away, always claiming it was a mistake or a joke or they didn't mean it or don't be so sensitive."

Oh, "banter"?

You're right, most women have no experience of this at all

There was a woman a while back who was just referred to as "cunt" at work. I think it was on the stock exchange.. story about sexism in 80s.

Don't recall her threatening to stab anyone.

Could be said that trans people are now where a lot of women were then, making incursions into places they were previously not visible.

Maybe less stabby could be a better way forward?

I take away from this that male violence is the greatest human rights crisis the world has ever known.

And that women need to learn to obey or expect a knife pulled on them. The behaviour appears to be worsening. I am terrified of this in all honesty.

I take away from this that male violence is the greatest human rights crisis the world has ever known.

I deeply resent being forced to pretend that men can be women, the nonsense of judges forcing women who are giving evidence in court to go along with the charade, the 'my pronouns are she/her' thing* and the erosion of women's rights. But just because someone is unreasonable, it isn't ok to bully them - especially if they have MH issues. If that person had been wearing a dreadful wig (though they probably were!) and thought nobody noticed, would it be acceptable to constantly make jokes about it and pretend they were mistakes?

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If that person had been wearing a dreadful wig (though they probably were!) and thought nobody noticed, would it be acceptable to constantly make jokes about it and pretend they were mistakes?

The classic "whatabouttery?" is always pulled out when logic fails.

But just because someone is unreasonable, it isn't ok to bully them...

This may surprise you, but it is even less ok to knive them.

I didn't say its ok to bully someone. But you don't knife someone for it! That is not a normal reaction, and I refuse to basically mollycoddle violent males when they have been violent.

I actually loved living in the US (Bay Area) for some time. Still longing for that time... friendly people, great Nature...
But I sure as hell would not want to get sucked into legal system. Without loads of money you are f*ed. I believe Chris Hedges said many plead guilty without being guilty, because otherwise you might go to prison for a long time, and many won't risk it (particularly without an expensive private lawyer).

I am an ardent feminist. I also have a son (still young), so this topic of male on male concerns me, too. (Even though, clearly, women are more often victims of sexual violence and males almost always the perpetrators). I have sometimes wondered, whether toxic masculinity may be a result of males never ever wanting to be the victims of sexual violence (I'm not a sociologist, though), and therefore posing as the ubermale/potential threat to other males. I feel, if we could get a grip on male violence against males (not 'only females'), too, that would make a better world for women, too.
(I once read an article of male rape victims of war in Africa with life long health issues not daring to confess to anyone, because it is such a taboo. Can't be good for their families and society as a whole.)

That was probably the mother of all tangents, now.

That's a good theory but it doens't explain why so many men are agressive / violent to / murder women and girls.

We are extremely likely to (either want to or be able to) subject them to sexual violence.

Female rape victims also often never tell anyone > if people find out, in some areas they are likely to be killed, or ostracised etc.

I think men always say things are worse for them but I thiknk most men have no idea and no interest in what life is like for women.

I mean female rape victims all over the place never tell

and in some places they face dire consequneces if it is found out or they do tell

But I sure as hell would not want to get sucked into legal system.

Except that the legal system did not enter into it. As per the article, two co-workers had some problems working together. One threatened the other with a knife. The issue was raised with HR who listened to both sides and dismissed the person who pulled a knife on their co-worker.

That's a good theory but it doens't explain why so many men are agressive / violent to / murder women and girls.

True. I didn't mean to formulate 'the theory that explains everything'. It might just be one of several (subconscious) factors to explain, why too many young men, particularly in the most patriarchal societies, play along with this toxic masculinity crap and hang their whole identity on it. I mean, how did this start?

That women get the rough end of the deal, regardless, is clear. For, they often get executed for having been raped and they often can't even hide the rape, if they get pregnant from it (and abortion is mostly inaccessible). No doubt that is way worse, due to patriarchal society's penalties for women.

I am just wondering why many men are so uninterested in the circumstances females face. And one explanation could be that they feel the pressure themselves (the bigger guy or gang will beat me up / rape me, unless I am even more brutal...) that they (apparently being incapable to reflect) somehow feel that, well, given women don't strike back, it is 'natural' they're at the bottom of the hacking order and fair game. Doesn't mean I find that acceptable. At all. Just trying to make sense of the world and hoping I can help my son navigate those waters and turning out all right, as a caring man who can stand up to that sh*t.

Jesus, I posted that mother of all tangents in the wrong thread! God only knows where the follow up went. Sorry y'all.

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These posts were meant for the California prison post. I am sorry for this derailment on here.

Stolen from another thread. I take it as 'literal violence' every time The Independent uses 'c*swomen' in its articles (sorry, no idea which terms we can use on here any more).

Yet any male born who says they are female is given a pass and referred to as 'she'

I have complained about this but the paper points out that they don't believe this is misgendering.

Never mind what we think eh? It's double standards. Not only do people have to lie about what sex people are, but I am merely asking to be called a woman (no lie). Do they use 'cismen' too?