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How to deal with DH response re trans issues

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Carikube · 07/09/2018 23:07

I've read a lot of threads on FWR over the last few months and feel as though I know where I stand on things. However I am having issues bringing DH "over" to the cause as it were and don't know how to deal with it.
I've explained why I'm not happy with self-ID, shown him recent articles eg the one about Karen White etc but he keeps telling me that these are only a small percentage of things to worry about in the grand scheme of things.
We have three young DDs so I feel this is something I want him to get on board with (and I do have to say that on a more general basis, he is quite the feminist so I can't argue about that), but he keeps saying that we have bigger things to worry about, eg how Brexit will impact us as a family/country etc. His point is that the proportion of crimes committed by men who self-ID as women is far smaller than those committed by men against girls/women so I should focus my anger where it matters. I'm finding myself getting too emotional about his response to have a rational discussion to point out why I think he should care more.
Can anybody wiser come up with reasons to make him become more concerned?
[Might not be posting again until morning so please bear with me....]

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KataraJean · 09/09/2018 07:37

Plus, while I voted Remain, I am not actually convinced that Brexit is a bigger threat than self-ID, although it is comparing things with quite different impacts on women.

I was really quite horrified when I read the article in the Telegraph about the legal sex trade in Germany. (Disclaimer: I know many Germans are too but it their law). It is state-supported (by being legal) exploitation and trafficking of mainly Eastern European women (since the widening of Europe). How is that an acceptable dimension of the European Union? I know that there are big sexual exploitation issues in Britain, too, but these are criminal.

CosmicCanary · 09/09/2018 07:43

When I first talked to DP about this over a year ago he was not interested. He said "live and let live, what harm are they doing, its their life".
I left it but made my position clear.

Recently I have discussed it with him again but this time i showed him the articles and picture on social media of some of the transwomen that have committed sexual crimes or advertise their lady penis. I pointed out that while the majority of transwomen are good people the self ID will allow anyone the freedom to access female spaces including those whose pictures I had shown him.
This opened up the discussion and I went on to explain about females sports, political spaces and sex segregated services. I also pointed out that his 75 year old mother would lose her right to receive intimate care from a female.
He apologised for being dissmissive previously and admitted that as a man he could not see what was threatening or concerning as it does not affect him.

He is now an ally and has discussed this subject with his male friends. He confirms that most showed little interest and could not see the harm. However he showed them the information and pointed out the risks, potential harm and the danger to females rights which has made them review their original opinions.

He did tell me that the biggest turning point was the girl dick/lady penis mantra. Straight and gay men found this to be a ridiculous and dangerous lie.

CesiraAndEnrico · 09/09/2018 07:54

he says there's more chance of them getting run over by a bus or attacked by a man still presenting as a man than there is of them getting hurt by a MTF

Does he understand why you used car seats for them as littles ?

The vast majority of us survived the 70s. But low risk is only half of the equation. High stakes is the other half. Which is why we strap our kids in. Because if you gamble on low risk and are among the relatively unlucky few who lose ...you, and your child can pay a life long price, that is emotionally a lot more than the majority can afford.

That equation is why we vaccinate. Child proof our homes. Nag them about being sensible and say "would you jump off a cliff if your friends told you to ?". Don't let them walk up the slidey part of the slide etc. etc.

It doesn't stop when they aren't so tiny anymore. There is an expression over here.

Small children, small problems. Big children, big problems.

As they get older you have to up your parental game in the low risk/stupidly high stakes zone. Not just abandon your parental role in the matter cos you (erroneously) think your work is done once they are less likely to clock their head on the corner of the coffee table now they walk reliably.

Maybe I've just lived in Italy too long to be able to see it with the most appropriate cultural lens. But I do not understand men who do not want to stand shoulder to shoulder to protect the women and children they love from stupidly high stakes, once they are aware that these high stakes are becoming part of the landscape.

Especially high stakes scenarios that are screamingly obvious and are so relatively easy to avoid compared to others.

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 09/09/2018 09:28

attacked by a man still presenting as a man

These are people still presenting as a man, who say they are women.

Not saying any of these people are a threat, but others who are will use Self ID to access female spaces.

D Muscato took a place in a woman's refuge. And says if we don't like that, we can suck his dick.

Very pleasant and ladylike, no?

And there ain't a thing you will be able to do about it.

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YessicaHaircut · 09/09/2018 09:53

My DH finally started to get it when I said that if self-ID came in he would need to accompany me to all of my smear tests in future as I wouldn’t be able to insist on a female HCP doing them. Showing him images of some of the self-identified “women” who have been allowed to compete in women’s sport also helped illustrate the reality.

Singlenotsingle · 09/09/2018 10:02

Why does it matter so much what he thinks? It doesn't. It's not going to change anything. He has a male brain, for better or worse, and sometimes we just have to agree to disagree with dinosaurs!

BettyDuMonde · 09/09/2018 10:34

Sent this to my DH while I was out with Fair Play for Women yesterday.

So glad he gets it.

Sometimes I think the reason he does is because he has (decades ago) mixed with some awful, awful men. He certainly doesn’t want anyone like that near our kids.

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