What would you say to a simple person that’s nice, but honestly thinks the world is equal?

[LardLizard]

Help me explain to this person please

What do you mean by "simple"?

I have no idea what you are trying to say

I'd say "I respect your opinion. I see it this was because x,y,z. We may need to agree to disagree on this one. Cup of tea or coffee"!?

The drama!!

The world obviously isn't equal in any way whatsoever. By 'simple' do you mean the 'earth-mother' or 'earth-father' type who thinks everything is for the best in the best of all possible worlds, and we should all just spread our love around?

You don't have to fix everyone, sometimes the best thing to do is walk away.
Idk what you mean by 'simple'. If you mean someone with learning difficulties, leave them alone.

Someone not that bright
That thanks the world is equal

Not someone with special needs or any hiring

Anything.

What are you trying to explain to them ?

It's just obvious that the world isn't equal wrt sex inequality, other wise 2 women per week would also be murdering their male partner, and the prison population would be 50-50% males and females rather than 79,750 men and 3,870 women. We would have had rather more than 2 female prime ministers in the history of our Westminster government's existence...

When it comes to class / wealth inequality I mean that's another thing entirely. If anyone truly believes the world we live in has no wealth inequality I'd leave them alone.

I’m trying to explain where’s still things that need to be done to make things equal
Such as there is still a gender pay gap

as this person thinking things are equal for men and women

Why would you leave them alone

Do you mean leave them in blissful ingnorance

I would ask them why they believe that. What would they expect to see if the world was equal, and what they would expect if it weren't?
Then we could explore together how we might find evidence supporting either possibility.

Look at the number of women MPs vs male MPs.

The numbers of men in top jobs / on boards.

Who has the power?

How about, that men get their pain taken more seriously when they go to the doctors?

When they’re in pain, women wait longer in emergency departments and are less likely to be given effective painkillers than men - from this article.
[[http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20180518-the-inequality-in-how-women-are-treated-for-pain

Or that the medical default is men, so doctors learn how to treat men. Many doctors, (and most ordinary people) for example, don't realise that heart attacks can have different symptoms in women and men. If our society doesn't think this is important, then that's a big problem if you are a woman having a heart attack but your health professional doesn't recognise that as they've only been trained in recognising male heart attacks.

Both these medical examples (and many more) can result in - bottom line - loss of life for a woman, who would have been correctly diagnosed and treated in time if she were a man.

That's pretty unequal, I'd say.

Aargh!! I totally messed up those links! Will try again.

When they’re in pain, women wait longer in emergency departments and are less likely to be given effective painkillers than men

From this BBC article

Also, it affects women's health that the medical default is men, i.e. doctors learn how to treat men. Many doctors, (and most ordinary people) for example, don't realise that heart attacks can have different symptoms in women and men. If our society doesn't think this is important, then that's a big problem if you are a woman having a heart attack but your health professional doesn't recognise that as they've only been trained in recognising male heart attacks.

Well, it depends what your objective is. Are you intent on shattering their optimistic view of the world?

If you want to challenge them (you don't necessarily have to), then I'd go down the route of raising some very clear and simple facts. So not the gender pay gap as that's not so straightforward to explain. The MPs and boardroom stats might be a good starting point.

The most obvious demonstration is the crime rate. 93% male perps is not equal to 7% female perps, or whatever your local break down is.
Almost all can never be equal to almost none.

My aim is to make them realise life in generally easier for men and we need to equalise it more

How is the crime stats going to help me prove that

Although the health care onenis a great example
I’ve always thought of men had Babies maternity wards would be much better

I suppose it depends on how you and they define equal.

My aim is to make them realise life is generally easier for men.

I'm not sure it is.

We are of course over-represented in positions of power but these men aren't the average bloke on the street. With 84 men a week killing themselves (it being the most common cause of death in males under 40) I think it's actually more likely that any given bloke will kill himself than attain any significant level of power/status. And should a man dare try and talk about that statistic he'll be branded an MRA/misogynist and told to shut up about those 84 men and focus on the two women that are killed each week by a couple of deviant blokes (who are undoubtedly not representative of the other several million UK men who don't commit murder).

If things were so bad for the average British feminist then surely focusing on becoming the next CEO of a FTSE company would be right down the list. Men are so good at enduring hardship that many women seem to have believed the stoic lie that we are ok (when in reality we just find it hard to open up emotionally and tend to pretend everything is 'fine' - until it gets too much and we kill themselves rather than accept help or be regarded as a failure/weak).

The thing is, you know this person and we don't. I'd look at aspects of their life that are important to them and see if there is anything you can raise there.

It's not a competition. Men don't necessarily have it easier.

People respond best to examples they can relate to. If you want to explain the struggle some women face find an example of a woman you know who has dealt with discrimination or been overlooked. But be aware that race, socioeconomic status, physical and mental capacity and a whole range of factors can also lead to discrimination so your friend might be thinking of those people too.

Equality is good for society but terrible for the individual who has to come down a peg or too to achieve it. People like the principle but it's much better when it happens to other people!

You could use the example that women have a forum on Radio 4 to discuss things of interest and concern to them, Ie Woman's hour, but men are not allowed the same.