Andrew Gilligan in The Times - sex pests target unisex change rooms

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-pests-target-women-in-mixed-changing-rooms-x3vw2lnv8

I don't know how to do a share token, sorry, but Andrew has nailed it again 👏

"The majority of alleged sexual attacks at Britain’s public swimming pools and sports centres occur in unisex changing rooms, according to data obtained by The Sunday Times.
Nine out of ten changing-room sexual complaints relate to incidents in unisex facilities — although they make up less than half of all provision.
Gender-neutral changing is growing as councils seek to cut staff costs and cater to transgender people. But one MP said it was a “magnet” for sex offenders and increased the risk to women and girls."

I posted about this before I think but one pool I use has had to put horizontal panels at the top and bottom of the cubicle walls to stop men sticking phones over/under the walls

If you google voyeur and swimming and news (you need to add in news otherwise you'll get thousands of porn videos), it goes on for pages

The Independent are reporting The Times' report
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

What is the spin this article is putting on it scotsheather?

That this kind of thing doesn't happen frequently and even when it does it's not that frequent and it's not that serious because everyone knows that transman are the most oppressed vulnerable group on earth who only want a place to urinate in peace.

They had PL on saying they had been taken out of context and they were only talking about toilets and don't want to share with fully intact biological men either.

The DM is also reporting the Times report now.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6124077/Ninety-cent-sexual-assaults-public-swimming-pools-happen-unisex-changing-rooms.html

No sign of the guardian, fair enough perhaps, they're not a Sunday paper. I did, however, notice this piece from 2014 giving a positive reason why some women like single sex facilities, which I thought was somewhat interesting

www.theguardian.com/theobserver/she-said/2014/apr/17/unisex-changing-rooms-are-depriving-me-of-getting-naked-with-my-fellow-women

Oh course a TRA tells us there is no problem, just says it all really, doesen't it!

^Note for @thesundaytimes. A
unisex changing room is where people of all genders get changed. Different to a women’s changing room, where trans and non-trans women are changing. Different to a men’s changing room, where trans and non-trans men are changing^

The overall aim is to make all toilets and changing rooms unisex.

Due to self id, there is no barrier to a sexual predator self id as a woman, so he can gain access to girls and ladies. This is very real.

Thanks aahbump that's pretty interesting

Fine, a changing room with women and XY trans'women' are changing is mixed sex right? And technically speaking unisex would be single sex but it's been corrupted so that the uni bit refers to one space rather than one sex.

Mixed sex is much clearer all round.

'Unisex' often seems to mean, 'designed for one sex (Male) but it's the only option, so women can like it or lump it'. This seems to be pretty much hold for unisex changing.

on a positive note-pretty much all the comments on that article point out the negatives of taking away sex segregated spaces-people are able to clearly see the potential pitfalls.

hapydappy2

Yes, schools do have to have sex segregated toilets and washing facilities (changing rooms) for children over the age of 8. Here's the guidance for schools so that any parent / child facing all mixed sex facilities can take it into schools and tell them that they're wrong!

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/719398/Gender-separation-guidance.pdf

Maybe my kids college is super liberal (and small) but there are very few 'girls toilets' and they are gender neutral. One of her friends also complained in conversation that her school had a toilet block with boys cubicles up one side and girls cubicles up the other and sinks down the middle, which she and some of her friends avoided using except in emergencies. Maybe these kids are exaggerating to me, I haven't been in to these places so I don't know, but they seem genuinely uncomfortable with the situation.

Or maybe unisex and gender neutral are not considered to be the same thing by these establishments. Because unisex = male + female whereas in fairyland gender neutral = girls plus "identifies as girl"s plus non-binary, genderqueer etc.

They had PL on saying they had been taken out of context and they were only talking about toilets and don't want to share with fully intact biological men either.

This sounds like more dissembling from PL. Most self-identified 'trans women' ARE fully intact biological men.

Is PL now claiming the trans movement opposes the presence of men who haven't had surgery or hormones in women's spaces, or are they just flat-out lying about their position to save face?

So PL doesn't want to share with 'fully intact biological' men, but expects women to do so?

PL is going to keep deflecting.
PL wrote an article titled:
Dear Ian McEwan, your ideas about penises are outdated

Nor are they totally defined by their genitalia. This is something McEwan needs to take note of, as he recently said: "I tend to think of people with penises as men." I used to think of people with penises as men too – but my thinking has evolved.
www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/paris-lees-dear-ian-mcewan-your-ideas-about-penises-are-outdated/

It doesn't sound to me like PL has a problem with penises (aka biological males)...