Brighton Argus article on Allsorts

[iamawoman]

So happy this is out there now in brighton particularly as I was told by my infant school child that he learnt at school that boys can also be girls

www.theargus.co.uk/news/16613963.there-is-nothing-anti-trans-in-this-school-pack/

What makes you think that, 12th? Why start rumours of duplicity like that without something to back you up?

The sneakiness of this stands out. No evidence, just a little lie dropped into discussion in the hope it spreads.

It's not a lie, it's an opinion, based on the way the first one perfectly and painstakingly hits on every classic ROGD trope like the Platonic ideal of detransitioning cautionary tales, written in hammy journalistic prose. YMMV.

It's not a lie, it's an opinion

If you had ever actually spoken to Stephanie or Helen, your opinion would be completely different.

They are both absolutely genuine.

Stephanie gets hundreds of emails each week from distraught parents.

She has only ever been for and about the children.

So take your agenda and stick it.

Hey 12thGuelph. What is your real problem here?

YY Datun.

Plus Helen Saxby is a writer, feminist and resident of Brighton. She is very qualified to write on this topic - especially as Transgender Trend is absolutely not transphobic.

The crowdfunder was taken down for a few days after a huge number of complaints - from the usual suspects no doubt, the ones who also try and get WPUK venues to cancel - but after examination, the crowdfunder was judged NOT transphobic.

*and the crowdfunder was re-instated.

Personally, I'm more concerned at state schools PAYING for Allsorts to come and try and brainwash children in gender/queer identity theory.

This is a travesty - that the vast majority of parents DO NOT WANT. Children being told they 'can choose a sex' and 'take tablets to change their sex' - both of these are untrue. Both of these have been reported by ordinary parents - based on what their own children have told them.

ToeToToe

Anyone who has ever met Stephanie or Helen knows that authenticity run through them like a stick of rock.

Anyone with less of an axe to grind, you couldn't find.

@Datun In that case I'd advise them, when picking the first person accounts from among their detransitioners, not to pick only the ones who went on to become hammy journalists.

If there 'is nothing anti trans in this school pack" and it "takes the rights of both trans-identified pupils and female pupils into account", why aren't there any case studies of transgender people?

12thGuelph " why aren't there any case studies of transgender people?

Simply because transitioned people cannot be identified to others [it would be a breach of confidentiality].

They're anonymised first person accounts, Jacky.

A transitioned person has to specify who can know they are transitioning / have transitioned. No-one could collect a first person account without a transitioning / transitioned person agreeing to and supplying it.

Are you suggesting that no transgender person would willingly supply TT with a first person account?

Or are you suggesting that it's OK to produce a school pack called "Supporting gender diverse and trans-identified students in schools", with first person accounts of only desisters and detransitioners? Because that's self-evident bias/axe, Datun.

The authors of the TransgenderTrend guidance for schools are not allowed to ask for such material .. no-one is.

Do you have any understanding of any of this at all?

Do Mermaids talk about detransitioned people? I think not.

The teacher's case study shows that the young trans people were 100% affirmed in her school. To the point that a biological female was allowed, on request, into a talk for boys, on testicular cancer, which clearly left the other boys uncomfortable.

This is the reality we have to face up to. Boys do not necessarily want to talk about their testicles in front of girls - who have no testicles, regardless of how they identify.

In fact there is a well known academic, whose name always escapes me, who has been de-funded from academic study of detransitioning. Completely. Despite upwards of 80% of trans teens desisting.

A study of ROGD has also been pulled because transactivists kicked up such a fuss.

It is not ran people's stories which are being suppressed.

*trans people's stories.

Autocorrect.

Nope, it's right here: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330

Toe to Toe The person you refer to is James Caspian, a counsellor. Bath Spa University declined his research proposal into detransitioned people on the grounds that it could reflect badly on the university:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41384473

12thGuelph The source you reference is a more recent publication by Lisa Littman in the USA.

Thank you Jacky - I saw a lot of his stuff on twitter, but never got round to following him.

He's been treated appallingly, and it's all down to the trans-rights activists infiltrating academia.

12th - I don't know what your link is, I don't click on links posted by obvious TAs. If you want to put in words what you linked to, I'll read it.

ToeToToe You are most welcome

It's the Littman study, isn't that the ROGD study you're saying has been pulled?

It was pulled.

^Brown statement, community letter on gender dysphoria study
August 27, 2018 Media contact: News Staff 401-863-2476
Following the decision to remove a news article on "rapid-onset gender dysphoria," the University issued the following statement, and the School of Public Health dean wrote to Brown's public health community.^

Source: news.brown.edu/articles/2018/08/gender

There's a petition to re-instate: www.ipetitions.com/petition/brown-university-and-plos-one-defend-academic

If it has been re-instated, I'm thrilled.

The Littman paper is still there, but the university removed a news item about it on their site.

@ToeToToe. No, the news release was pulled, not the study. Brown couldn't pull the study because they aren't the publisher of the study.