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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Very strongly anti-woman Welsh Assembly statement

51 replies

Charliethefeminist · 23/08/2018 06:43

record.assembly.wales/StatementOfOpinion/102

Leanne Woods heads the list of Assembly Members who believe that those who are concerned about safeguarding for women and girls are 'scare-mongering'.

What's particularly concerned is that there was no 'need' for this - it simply arises unprompted out of enthusiasm for legal proposals that will irrevocably damage women's rights. It was additionally tweeted out by Wood with an exhortation to other AMs to sign it.

Leanne Wood has behaved appallingly towards girls and women here.

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N0bodysM0t · 23/08/2018 06:45
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NoSquirrels · 23/08/2018 06:58

Leanne ‘outdated ideas of biology’ Wood?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3195297-Leanne-Wood-has-responded-to-her-tweet

Yeah, not surprised. Nice to see a list of Welsh MPs who’ve signed up though - easy to check who believes what.

Spikypants · 23/08/2018 06:58

Leanne Wood is a disgrace. She should never be allowed to forget how badly she betrayed women when this madness subsides. None of these self serving handmaidens should.

gingerpusscat · 23/08/2018 08:26

Has she not heard of Jess Bradley?

gendercritter · 23/08/2018 08:39

Yes in the context of Jess Bradley this is a disgrace. Shame on her

hackmum · 23/08/2018 08:49

Our Leanne isn't the brightest lamp on the street.

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 23/08/2018 09:04

3. Regrets the scaremongering and transphobia around gender recognition reform from sections of the media and those opposed to trans equality.

The scaremongering and transphobia she's talking about is safeguarding.

I don't know if Leanne Woods realises she is campaigning to remove safeguarding for women and girls, or if she is aware, but thinks that it is not important.

theOtherPamAyres · 23/08/2018 09:05

Doea anyone live in her constituency? Can they make an appointment to see her? Can they take one of the Briefing Sheets to leave with her, after the session?

Can she be told, in no uncertain terms, that not only is she alientating women, but that they will actively campaign for her nearest rival at the next election to unseat her?

Charliethefeminist · 23/08/2018 09:09

I think she's aware, she must be, she was robustly informed of it when she tweeted TWAW, wrote a whole article about how TWAW and went on to defend her stance. Bloody awful way to treat the concerns of women about women and girls. Truly, deeply, shitty.

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Charliethefeminist · 23/08/2018 09:14

She's one of those who digs their heels in according to the circular teenage logic of

'you're wrong and therefore bigots'
'we aren't wrong and here's why'
'but you're bigots so your evidence doesn't count'

She would probably read that and not understand what's wrong with it.

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ZuttZeVootEeVro · 23/08/2018 09:30

I think she's aware, she must be, she was robustly informed of it when she tweeted TWAW

That's one of the reasons why abuse of women and children continues to happen. Politicians like Leanne Woods ignore all warnings and are more than happy to tear up safeguarding protocols. I don't know what motivates them to do it.

Babdoc · 23/08/2018 09:34

Someone should remind the fool that she depends on voters for her position. Ask her how many trans voters compared to women voters live in her constituency. And how she hopes to get re-elected.

Charliethefeminist · 23/08/2018 09:49

But who knows about it, that's my worry. I've only just seen it, and it was a month ago.

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Ereshkigal · 23/08/2018 09:51

Our Leanne isn't the brightest lamp on the street.

It would appear not.

hackmum · 23/08/2018 09:55

While Jess Bradley is the most prominent and most recent example, there are of course dozens of other examples she could look at, simply by some cursory googling or spending five minutes on this board. Even today we have an example of a man in Canada using self-ID to try to force female salon assistants to wax his genitals. The problems with self-ID are immediately obvious to anyone who has a functioning brain.

hackmum · 23/08/2018 09:56

She really ought to take a look at this (she won't, of course):

transcrimeuk.com/

Charliethefeminist · 23/08/2018 10:00

I will never, ever understand this from woman. I can understand a sort of 'I'm sure it will be fine' attitude from an initial position of ignorance. But LW has informed herself, is not ignorant and despite this, like Miller and Hunt, she has decided to stand with men and actively campaign to raise the risks to women, and in fact to children. I cannot conceive of the mindfuckery that enables this in an actual woman.

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ZuttZeVootEeVro · 23/08/2018 10:02

But who knows about it, that's my worry. I've only just seen it, and it was a month ago.

This is one of the issues that confuses me. Similarly to when they introduced the GRA originally, they are trying to make changes without informing the general public. If they believe that everyone will be happy with the changed, why the secrecy? If they believe that many people will be unhappy, what do they think pushing through legislation will achieve? Do they believe that no-one will notice or that the culture will change overnight and it will suddenly be acceptable for little girls to see random adult male bodies naked?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 23/08/2018 10:43

Mostly Labour MPs I see - way to lose an election -to offside the majority

BiologyIsReal · 23/08/2018 11:07

Obviously auditioning for the role of lead handmaiden.

arranfan · 23/08/2018 11:25

'you're wrong and therefore bigots'
'we aren't wrong and here's why'
'but you're bigots so your evidence doesn't count'

In a x-over of the stickers/Suck it up, Buttercup memes etc. is there any way of turning this a suitable sticker?

Pumpkinsarepurple · 23/08/2018 11:38

Jesus, it's head above the parapet time then instead of just reading, my AM is on there and in general they are an effective force at the forefront of fighting for local communities.

I am hoping they are just trying to be right on without fully understanding the implications of self ID, time will tell.

Email first I reckon and see where I get.

mejon · 23/08/2018 11:42

2nd on the list to agree to the motion is the current front-runner in the campaign to replace LW as leader of PC. I despair.

Charliethefeminist · 23/08/2018 11:51

Nice one pumpkins

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AngryAttackKittens · 23/08/2018 11:51

Similarly to when they introduced the GRA originally, they are trying to make changes without informing the general public. If they believe that everyone will be happy with the changed, why the secrecy? If they believe that many people will be unhappy, what do they think pushing through legislation will achieve? Do they believe that no-one will notice or that the culture will change overnight and it will suddenly be acceptable for little girls to see random adult male bodies naked?

I think they're counting on the fact that once a rule is in place many people will find it hard to speak out and object, especially if there's also strong social pressure not to. The fact that the changes are being made in such a sneaky way strongly suggests that they're aware that the public is not on board at all - they just hope that if we're presented with a fait accompli we'll feel like we have no choice but to put up with it.

I suspect that parents may be the hardest group to peer pressure into accepting the new status quo, once they realize what it means for their daughters.