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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Very strongly anti-woman Welsh Assembly statement

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Charliethefeminist · 23/08/2018 06:43

record.assembly.wales/StatementOfOpinion/102

Leanne Woods heads the list of Assembly Members who believe that those who are concerned about safeguarding for women and girls are 'scare-mongering'.

What's particularly concerned is that there was no 'need' for this - it simply arises unprompted out of enthusiasm for legal proposals that will irrevocably damage women's rights. It was additionally tweeted out by Wood with an exhortation to other AMs to sign it.

Leanne Wood has behaved appallingly towards girls and women here.

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Charliethefeminist · 23/08/2018 11:56

They already have most universities writing self Id into changing room policies etc. They didn't announce it though. So predators not aware that they can waltz in and abuse the self Id principle as much as they want. However TRA will point to policies already in place and say 'see, no problems' .

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OldCrone · 23/08/2018 12:01

The fact that the changes are being made in such a sneaky way strongly suggests that they're aware that the public is not on board at all - they just hope that if we're presented with a fait accompli we'll feel like we have no choice but to put up with it.

But why do governments want to push through legislation which they know will be unpopular? It doesn't make sense.

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 23/08/2018 12:08

They already have most universities writing self Id into changing room policies etc. They didn't announce it though. So predators not aware that they can waltz in and abuse the self Id

Universities are obviously letting transpeople know that they can use the facilities they want, regardless of sex, and are assuming that women don't notice, care or complain. And if that fails, are saying that speaking of the removal of sex segregation will encourage predators.

OldCrone · 23/08/2018 13:56

2nd on the list to agree to the motion is the current front-runner in the campaign to replace LW as leader of PC.

Adam Price. A gay man. Clearly doesn't understand that much of the trans agenda is homophobic.

HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 23/08/2018 15:05

Bloody hell.

Right I think it is time we go through this
www.gov.uk/topic/schools-colleges-childrens-services/safeguarding-children
point by point providing evidence of exactly where this is going wrong.

thebewilderness · 23/08/2018 19:23

Politicians who advocate the rules of misogyny over the rule of law need to step down before they do any more damage than they already have.
They are advocating violations of safeguarding regulations. Every one of which was put into place after a scandal because they would not listen while the abuse went on for years.

winterinmadeira · 23/08/2018 19:30

Thanks for flagging this up - I will be following up with WG on this.

Derwini123 · 24/08/2018 23:26

HEY! Reading this thread as a man is very funny to me. Some people calling Leanne a disgrace and that she "betrayed" women and girls everywhere is such an over the top statement. It promotes a narrative that women are against men and vice versa. That there are these two teams fighting each other and Leanne is some double agent betraying her team. It's ridiculous. People are just scaremongering like she said.

The "safety of women and girls" is about as safe as it's going to get from a admin standpoint. The only thing that would help is improving the way in which people are raised by their parents. Since there is no reliable way of improving parenting across the board. I'm sorry but women just need to toughen up.

TheCountryGirl · 24/08/2018 23:32

Man....STFU! Don't come on a feminist board and tell women how to react. What the fuck? Piss off! Gah I hate arseholes like this! 🤮

mansplain111 · 24/08/2018 23:32

I'm sorry but women just need to toughen up

Well I’d FUCKNG love to toughen up. But I’m 5 foot tall and weigh 8 stone. I have physically no fucking chance against an average male. If I could toughen up. I would.

thebewilderness · 24/08/2018 23:40

So many men so eager to demonstrate that they have spent their life with their head up their ass.

R0wantrees · 24/08/2018 23:43

March 2018 when Millwall cancelled the 'We Need to Talk' meeting and it was then hosted at Westminster, I seem to remember that Leanne Woods made one of the first and strongest statements.
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3195297-Leanne-Wood-has-responded-to-her-tweet

statement extract:
"In response to a tweet in which I stated that I believe trans women are women, and that Plaid Cymru is committed to equality for all trans people, many people have asked me to elaborate on my statement, which I want to do here.

Respectful debate is a crucial part of feminist politics. However, some responses to my tweet showed that transphobic views are being voiced by a small but vocal minority. Stonewall research shows that 41% of trans young people in Wales have attempted suicide – the climate of fear, misinformation and hatred that has come with this debate will directly harm trans people who already face much higher rates of bullying and mental health issues.

Trans women in Wales experience particular challenges, including increased vulnerability to domestic abuse, violence, harassment, hate crime and homelessness. The bureaucratic and demeaning process of gender recognition under the current Gender Recognition Act is an additional barrier to equality. I believe that a system of gender recognition where people would be trusted to be the authority on their own identities – like they already have in Ireland and Malta – would be much more progressive.

I used to work as a support worker for Women’s Aid, and so I know how important domestic violence services are. I don’t agree with those who say that allowing trans women to access these services endangers other women. The proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act don’t affect the exemptions under the Equality Act for single sex services. However most women-only services wouldn’t consider a blanket ban on all trans women and many services have been providing trans-inclusive support for years. The staff who run support services and shelters make informed decisions in the best interests of survivors all the time, including assessing whether an individual is likely to pose a risk to other people.

If services were to refuse access to all trans women and non-binary people, where are they supposed to go when they face abuse, violence or homelessness? The appalling experiences of trans women housed in male prisons shows why it’s so important that people are given appropriate accommodation and support.

Violence against women is a huge problem – but denying trans people equal respect and recognition under the law is not going to solve that problem, neither will turning vulnerable people away from support services. The example from Scotland of women’s organisations there coming together to support reform of the Gender Recognition Act and affirm their commitment to trans inclusion is one we should follow in Wales." (continues)

WeWantJustice · 25/08/2018 00:00

I'm sorry but women just need to toughen up.

I'm under 5ft with bad knees.

Can you suggest how I can be tougher in my dealings with a 6ft 2 male pervert?

ErrolTheDragon · 25/08/2018 00:12

The only thing that would help is ...

Im sure there's more than one thing that would help, but I'd start the list with men taking responsibility for the problem of male violence.

NotMeOhNo · 25/08/2018 00:16

HEY! Reading this thread as a man is very funny to me. Some people calling Leanne a disgrace and that she "betrayed" women and girls everywhere is such an over the top statement. It promotes a narrative that women are against men and vice versa. That there are these two teams fighting each other and Leanne is some double agent betraying her team. It's ridiculous. People are just scaremongering like she said

HEY! I used to like men. Then you came along and now I've just had a gutful of you all.

SirVixofVixHall · 25/08/2018 00:24

Yet again I feel that FWR should be open to women only.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 25/08/2018 00:32

Agree Vix. There should be some place where women don't have to listen to me telling us that we are doing all our thinking wrong!

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 25/08/2018 00:32

*men, not me, obviously Grin

Apollo440 · 25/08/2018 02:50

Well Dervini123, also as a man but unlike you I don't find it funny that they are about to allow any Tom, Dick or Harry into women's spaces having removed any gatekeeping the GRC used to perform. That Leanne cannot see this causing aaaany sort of problem and certainly not one worthy of any debate, shows she doesn't give a shiny sh1t about women and girls. I think calling her a disgrace is remarkably restrained.

SirVixofVixHall · 25/08/2018 13:11

I remember on a thread about LW’s previous comments (“outdated notion of biology “etc) a poster who had worked with LW said “I wouldn’t piss on her if she was on fire “ .....

Juells · 25/08/2018 13:22

Derwini123

HEY! Reading this thread as a man is very funny to me.

Very strongly anti-woman Welsh Assembly statement
BlinkingHeckWA · 25/08/2018 16:34

Name changed for this.

My AM has 'subscribed' to this statement. He is a woke bloke and I will most definitely attend the next public meeting. My blood is boiling.

SirVixofVixHall · 25/08/2018 19:26

My AM isn’t on that list yet. I think I will email him .

FreezerBird · 25/08/2018 19:36

My plaid mp also isn't on there, which is heartening. I've been thinking about going to see him - he's been great on some other things. I just need to pluck up courage and decide how to approach it.

Anyone else in ceredigion?

SirVixofVixHall · 25/08/2018 19:42

I’m close to you freezer. Not in Ceredigion, but that end of Pembs. I’m definitely going to contact my AM and see what he says. Any thoughts on a letter that will make the main points but not be too long ?

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