I had an interesting discussion with a MRA woman today

[IAmNotAntiWomen]

This woman did not identify as a MRA, she is very content to disregard the rights, privacy, safety and dignity of women to please men.

I was offered a woman only deal on gym membership. I asked if it was biological woman only, she was delighted with herself and said we include all genders of women. She was shocked that I would not find this fantastic news. She refused to accept single sex exemptions in the EA 2010 existed or that you can't ask for a GRC, she was under the impression all Transwomen have had an operation to remove the penis and talked over me when I explained facts, she did not want to know.

I find it interesting that women will just shut down, its like talking to someone who has been a hypnotised or is disassoiated.

Our message is not getting through.

How can we get the truth out there?

So should they discriminate against them and not treat them as women then by offering the women only membership to them too?

Don't know what a snug pretend innocent even is. I'm just answering as me.

smug even ! Damn auto correct

If we've paid for a women only sessions and changing rooms, that's what we expect.
Mixed sex and mixed gender are not the same thing.

The gym has clearly trained their staff on equality law and has an inclusive approach to trans women - this should be welcomed

Teeth are itching.

Honestly can’t get why some people are so fucking stupid.

Rainbow If I’ve been sexually attacked, I don’t want to share my space in side a changing room with a ‘woman’ with a swinging cock who now identifies as a lesbian. What about my rights? Why does a mans right come before mine ?

So should they discriminate against them and not treat them as women then by offering the women only membership to them too?

Because they are not women love.

Rainbows “So should they discriminate against them and not treat them as women then by offering the women only membership to them too“

So by treating them as women too - do you mean you would expect any TW them the gyms female changing/showering facilities chich could possibly be communal? Which was the issue the OP wanted to know - but you already know that’s what the OP wanted to know.

sweet songbird - the law says transitioned women are women whether you agree with that or not.

Magpies - no I didn't already know, as I'm not psychic. OP had a problem with trans women having women membership too.

the law says transitioned women are women whether you agree with that or not

Thought it was that people with a GRC should be treated AS IF THEY WERE the opposite gender

I havent read it but i thought thats what it said

It does indeed, Rufus and it lays out the ways to apply exemptions.

Posters here are acting as though Self ID is already and actual thing! Wonder why? No.. I lie, I know why they do and it really isn't going to change anyone's mind.

As UpstartCrow said, mixed sex and mixed gender simply aren't the same thing, and biology isn't up for debate

My gym has doors on the showers so I don't shower naked in front of anyone but behind a closed door.

It also has some private changing rooms in additional to communal space.

I'm happy sharing these facilities.

I used to be, but have hardened my position over the last year or so. More since the recent occurrences of things that 'simply don't happen' - young girls being filmed in toilets with cubicles, etc!

Let's just pretend then that women are not routinely paid less, and that the company is trying to expand the customer base (only to revert to full price down the line)

I (naively it seems) expect that even the most newbie of feminist knows this

You are comparing apples and oranges. The issue of what women are paid has nothing to do with the legality of the gym offering a blanket reduction in rates for women.

Barbara

One of my sports clubs has communal change and communal showers - all open plan - a TW did insist on using them - upsetting one woman who was in there alone showering. The solution was that all the women just stopped using the changing facilities and also cancelled their annual weekend away. I play sports with a lot of women - we’ve spoken about this - none of them want adult males in their changing areas or to compete against them.

Rainbow actually it’s doesn't say that at all. And transsexual is completely different to transgender.

But not to split hairs- I don’t care what the law says. Men can never ever be female. Ever. It’s impossible.

Thank you curious

So this the law says transitioned women are women whether you agree with that or not

Is a complete load of bollocks then?

Good to know

Actually, I was being tad lazy, the EA doesn't make any statement like that, it is more a combination of laws, EA, ECHR etc

The EA makes statements: Sex is a protected characteristic and then sets out exemptions from equality, notice the 'privacy and decency'!:

Circumstances when being treated differently due to sex is lawful
The Equality Act has some exceptions that allow employers or organisations to discriminate because of your sex.

A difference in treatment may be lawful if:

being a particular sex is essential for a job: this is called an occupational requirement. This includes some jobs which require someone of a particular sex for reasons of privacy and decency or where personal services are provided. For example, a gym could employ a changing room attendant that is the same sex as the users of that room. Similarly a women's refuge that only provides services to women could require its staff to be women
an organisation is taking positive action to encourage or develop people of a sex that is under-represented or disadvantaged in a role or activity. For example, an engineering firm places a job advert for a trainee engineer stating that applications from women are welcome
Other exceptions
The armed forces can refuse to employ a woman, or limit her access to training or promotion if it means they can ensure the combat effectiveness of the armed forces.

In competitive sports the organisers can hold separate events for men and women because the differences in stamina, strength and physique would otherwise make the competition unfair.

There are several situations in which an organisation can lawfully provide single sex services. In all circumstances they must be able to justify it. For example:

offering a women-only support service to women victims of domestic violence is likely to be justifiable even if there is no parallel service for men due to insufficient demand
A religious organisation can sometimes restrict employment to one sex if the role is for religious purposes. For example:

an orthodox synagogue can require its rabbi to be a man

It is the GRA that has the nubby bit, the legal fiction that makes every day life possible for people with a GRA. Thi what the "TWAW" relies on!

(1) Where a full gender recognition certificate is issued to a person, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender (so that, if the acquired gender is the male gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a man and, if it is the female gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a woman).
(2)Subsection (1) does not affect things done, or events occurring, before the certificate is issued; but it does operate for the interpretation of enactments passed, and instruments and other documents made, before the certificate is issued (as well as those passed or made afterwards).

Interesting that your GRA uses both terms of sex and gender and actually states "if the acquired gender is the male gender, the person’s SEX becomes that of a man and, if it is the female gender, the person’s SEX becomes that of a woman."

Essentially, they are legally stipulating something fictional and 100% biologically impossible. Is there any other British law that any of you can recall that is based on something on which there is absolutely no inherent truth? I suppose some of the slave laws we had here in the US come to mind, (i.e. blacks not considered as fully human). Wrong side of history indeed!

Also, this begs the question: given that the GRA actually states legally SEX is changed, does that mean that the Equality Act's provisions based on sex must accept this new definition and include transwomen as protected women?

My friends, you cannot let self ID happen...

Isn't it another legal fiction that a company in some respects becomes an individual - quasi human in some cases? I know it is very much so in the USA, with companies being able to take religious positions (the Hobby Lobby case) but I think it's true to a lesser sense here.

Is there a solicitor in the house?

It’s the GRA that brought us here - even though you hsre the constant blurb that the GRA and any proposed changes has nothing to do with self id. I wonder if they had seen what it would eventually lead to - they would have been so sure it was the right act. It’s the GRA that needs challenging for the lie that it is and the joke and insult to females (and males )it has become.

If a TW is sold a woman's membership package, then surely that would automatically confer the right for them to use the women's facilities at the gym?

I don’t care what the law says. Men can never ever be female. Ever. It’s impossible.

Hear hear.

Is this what folk here call a handmaiden?

Not sure who you are referring to but, yes, there is at least one handmaiden on this thread.