Scottish prisoner who raped pregnant victim and sexually tortured another woman demands move to female estate.

[Wanderabout]

Reported in the Scottish Sun today:

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3074307/andrew-mcwilliam-rapist-womans-clothes-refused-transfer-female-prison-cornton-vale/

Last two lines of the first paragraph. Unfortunately it looks like they would automatically go in to the female estate, although in an area for high risk offenders (I'm sure I read somewhere that we're running out of space for HR Offenders).

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Firstly, a named transwoman has been repeatedly misgendered on this thread but there have been no deletions. Why @MNHQ?

Because there's been an acknowledgment and apology?

Secondly, the media also misgenders this transwoman but only the other week they referred to another violent prisoner who had actually transferred from the male estate to the female estate as 'she'. Why the difference?

There's been a few transwomen moved, from what I gather all had lived as women for at least a year plus prior to committing crimes. One had attacked two girls prior to moving. The rest committed violent acts or murder. The person in the article raped two women. This can affect, PC or not, people's judgements as to motives on wanting to suddenly declare they are transgender to be moved to a female prison.

Firstly, a named transwoman has been repeatedly misgendered on this thread but there have been no deletions. Why @MNHQ**

OMG MNHQ didn't jump to your report immediately?

Questions must be asked.

Lessons must be learnt.

Someone get the police and arrest the offender immediately.

It always interests me how speedily some jump to 'defend' the rights of the rapists, paedophiles and sex offenders against women. It's such an odd set of priorities.

I think Macareaux was being sarcastic.

She was just pointing out the difference where the media calls some male people who claim to identify as women "he" and other male people who claim to identify as women "she".

Surely the misgendering posts haven't been deleted as they haven't been reported? Or mnhq just haven't got around to it.
Personally I think any convicted rapist loses the right to be referred to by female pronouns. But if MNHq have the rule, then they should stick to it, no exceptions.

I hope Andrew McWilliam - rapist man rots in that male prison where he and his rape weapon belong.
I will not ever call a man who used his penis to rape she

Go on, delete me.

From MNHQ's talk guidelines:

What about, for example, Ian Huntley – is it ok to say he is a man and call him 'he'?

We think we've allowed for flexibility and context here; we’re unlikely to delete where an individual is primarily known for extreme or criminal actions undertaken before they transitioned.

I will not ever call a man who used his penis to rape she

Nor will I. He can fuck off. (To the men's estate)

A bit of a derail, but part of the problem of misgendering and risking deletions is that the TRAs see a deletion message as proof of Mumsnet's "rampant transphobic" and probably imagine and propogatr it as much worse than a simple misgendering.

Actually if his dick was chopped off I wouldn't take issue form an orderly queue folks

I saw this on Twitter earlier, which is relevant to how some people approach a topic like this. I was gobsmacked. Warning, there's a graphic detail mentioned in this archived tweet.

archive.is/KiM8V

But we don't know this person's pronouns. Their name is Andrew (now), it was Peter before.

Interesting that The Sun doesn't refer to this person as a man at all, or use male pronouns. However, the writer uses the words sicko, beast, rapist, fiend, monster. And instead directly quotes other people who do refer to this person as a man.

I wonder if this particular case will go to appeal?

It would be helpful to know if there are clear guidelines for assessing risk to those who are currently resident in the female prison estate and if McWilliam as an individual was deemed too great a risk. Or, if it's that the people who decided against the transfer doubted that McWilliam's application had been made in good faith.

Oh yes I remember that one D0do. It's difficult to understand how anyone other than a psychopath can think that way.

Indeed I was being sarcastic. Probably too sarcastic. But trans ideology says that when a man identifies as a woman he has always been one. Ask Lily.

I suppose I think one way to bring this whole house of cards tumbling down is not to oppose the idrooogy but to repeat it and let the glaring inconsistencies do the work for us.

I hadn't seen MN's bit about Huntley but if he claims to be a woman then we are supposed to believe he is one and has always been one, so MN's reasoning is flawed.

In my view you can't have it both ways. If you support self ID (as transactivists do) and believe that trans people are becoming your authentic selves then I don't see how anyone can pick and choose about who is a 'genuine' trans person. You either have them all or have none of them. And I know which horse I'm backing.

This never happens. It's all in the imagination of those perverted, ill educated "feminists".

All the kink shaming on this thread! Can't you see that the poor woman was using her penis as a weapon because she was so distressed by the ugly feminists hoarding all the femme for themselves, and oppressing her? No wonder she lashed out.

Apologies Macareaux

There's so much crap posted on FWR by a few posters these days that I just assumed you were another one.

Someone get the police and arrest the offender immediately.

clutches pearls

This is literally literal violence. Or somesuch.

You mean old GC feminists.

How much do want to bet that the BBC don't cover this story?

Thank goodness some sense has prevailed. Because, yeah, this never ever happens.

And this person's life must have been a zillion times harder than MN's Justine's and maybe she thinks his life was a zillion times more difficult than his victim's lives.

Personally I use pronouns to denote the sex of the person I am talking about and see this as the orginal and correct meaning, and will recognise someone's self declared 'gender' at my own discretion until laws may force me to do otherwise.

And to me a rapist who rapes with their penis will never be anything other than male or a castrated and/or de-penised male.

The BBC ought to be campaigning for this individual to go to a female prison. That would be right and proper, after all.

Of course, in England the Ministry of Justice would have done one of their famous "rigorous" risk assessments (the one that they use when they put all those rapists and sex offenders currently in women's prisons) and in an instant this person would be sharing a cell with women.

Of course, according to the Action for Trans Health Manifesto , this person shouldn't be in a women's prison... or any prison (see the last demand, but do read the whole splendid document)

Oh yes. That's an interesting read. Especially this. We demand immediate release & pardon for all trans prisoners. They have a lot of demands dont they. Seem to think they are special and deserve more rights than anyone else in the population. They can fuck right off. Far far away. Twats.