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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Brother has announced he's got gender dysphoria

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supportforsister · 13/08/2018 07:53

Long time poster but have namechanged for obvious reasons. I'm not really sure if it belongs here or in family.

Last week my youngest brother (22) told our family that he's bisexual. We've suspected he may be gay for some time so not a huge surprise and very little reaction although my father is silent on the matter as opposed to 'supportive'.

Yesterday he told us that he's got gender dysphoria and wants to explore living as a woman. It didn't go down well with my parents- straw that broke the camel's back I assume! In 13 hours he shaved his legs, armpits and face, put on a woman's blouse and has started talking differently 😳

He's got mental health problems, is an habitual cannabis user and he's got a group of friends who think it's cool to be 'different'. He's never shown any signs of gender issue- if anything until he was 18ish he was a stereotypical 'boy' into cars, video games, bikes etc then at around 19 became more supportive of LGBT issues and seemed less interested in all his hobbies.

I can't support him anymore. I don't 'get' the trans thing and I feel it's more like he's schizophrenic. He's made a public post on social media calling me (and others) transphobic (I'm in an SLT position in education- I can't afford that reputation so would never be open about my feelings on trans) and his friends have all started telling him to cut us out etc.

I'm not sure what I want from this post really, I just feel like it's something I can't talk to people about in real life. I feel like I've lost a brother overnight but he's not dead so I can't grieve, I want to protect my two young kids (daughters 8 and 2) from it all and my husband thinks it's a big joke.

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NotTerfNorCis · 13/08/2018 07:58

I'm sorry to hear about that, supportforsister. As it came on so suddenly I suppose there is hope that it might stop just as suddenly. It sounds as though he's not fully willing to accept that he's gay (or bi).

TransplantsArePlants · 13/08/2018 08:00

I do think this might be better in Relationships, or Mental Health. Your use of the term Schizophrenic is inaccurate. That I do know.
The website transgender trend may also be of help.

supportforsister · 13/08/2018 08:10

@TransplantsArePlants he has other symptoms that are more likely to be schizophrenia or DIO- he argues with himself, has days when he's unrecognisable in terms of his personality and he's paranoid beyond belief. Similarly it could be the cannabis but he won't give it up so who knows.

He's lost four jobs in two years - he can't get on with 'normal' people. I am aware this might a 'phase' my mum is getting through with that mindset but I fear the damage is done - my grandparents are confused and upset, my parents are angry, everyone else seems to think it's a joke and my eldest asked if he is going to cut his willy off so I now need to speak to her school in September as I'm concerned about what she might say at school/learn from the playground etc. It just feels like he's doing his best to make us stop caring so we'll leave him to his drug addiction and sitting in a dark room without washing for days.

Happy for this to be moved wherever it best sits because I really don't know!

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LaContessaDiPlump · 13/08/2018 08:14

my eldest asked if he is going to cut his willy off

80% of transwomen don't bother, so your DD can rest easy about that one. He may well start using women's toilet facilities and changing rooms though, so you might want to warn her about that (or tell her it's ok to politely say she'll wait outside; not because he might do something inappropriate but because it would probably be mega confusing to see your uncle in the ladies)!

Datun · 13/08/2018 08:21

OP, that sounds tough. I really don't have much advice. Because it sounds complicated, to be honest. Like it could be any number of things.

I would also recommend Transgendertrend. And the link below which examines gender dysphoria in young men of your brother's age.

Also, the LGBT section on this site. That might be a good place to post in terms of support and being able to talk about what's happening.

My only other advice would be to keep reading in order to understand the situation better.

And also try and maintain your own, independent thought processes throughout this. I'm not suggesting a confrontational approach, but to not be gaslighted, or persuaded of anything that you know perhaps isn't quite true. The reason I say there is there is another poster whose brother transitioned and rewrote their childhood history, as a result. Which she found very difficult.

Let us know how it goes.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-one-thing/amp/

Raven88 · 13/08/2018 08:27

He could of been hiding it for a long time and that's caused a lot of his mental health problems. Maybe he seemed like a stereotypical male because he was doing what was expected. The person you are seeing now is probably the real one.

A lot of families reject their transgender children and they find support from the LGBT community and they consider that support network a family.

Do you want a relationship with your brother even if he transitions?

Mansplanation · 13/08/2018 08:30

Been there. My brother did the same thing aged 22. I could have written your post 2 years ago Flowers

For my brother, he was craving positive attention and found this in the LGBT community. By declaring himself trans he's 'brave' and 'an inspiration' rather than being seen as a drug addicted/ mentally ill/ waste of space etc. The truth of it was he had opted out of life. He'd decided his computer and bedroom were safe and the world outside it was too much for him. He had a couple of rejections (one from a job and one from a girl) in a short space of time and it came at a time where he was figuring out who he was, so it felt like the world was rejecting him iyswim. He struggled socially because he'd talk to people the same way he would post on Reddit etc so he came across awkward and weird.

When he declared himself trans he announced it on facebook before he spoke to us Hmm. We asked him about it and he then told us he wanted to live as a woman. Luckily, my family and I recognised it as a cry for attention so we dealt with it as such.

We completely ignore it. Lots of 'oh really? that's nice' and 'im glad you're happy' whenever he struck up a conversation about it. Always positive, never judgemental but also never probing and we made sure we had Bright, breezy conversations about other things and lots and lots of positive attention about things other than the trans stuff.

3 months later he started dressing as a man again and it hasn't been mentioned since.

He's now 24, has a job and is making plans to move out of my parents house. He knocked the cannabis on the head a year ago when he got really into the gym. I have to say, getting obsessed with the gym and weight lifting was the best thing ever for him. He spent his time online talking to gym bunnies and researching nutrition etc rather than on forums that supported the twisted view of the world he had previously.

He's fairly toned and muscular now and very masculine. You'd never have known that 2 years ago he was going round in a denim skirt calling himself Jenny Hmm

Chin up, it will pass.

RoseTheHatt · 13/08/2018 08:35

He's fairly toned and muscular now and very masculine. You'd never have known that 2 years ago he was going round in a denim skirt calling himself Jenny hmm

😁

Babdoc · 13/08/2018 08:38

Modern cannabis is many times stronger than the weed that was around in the 60’s. It does cause serious mental health problems up to and including paranoid psychosis. This will not help your brother’s ability to understand himself.
Your brother may well simply be gay, but is struggling to come to terms with that and feels being trans is more acceptable- it’s okay to fancy men if he’s really a “woman”.
Could you encourage him to have counselling, where he can discuss his sexual orientation with a neutral professional? Preferably before he embarks on anything irrevocable such as surgery that will render him sterile.

R0wantrees · 13/08/2018 09:10

He's made a public post on social media calling me (and others) transphobic (I'm in an SLT position in education- I can't afford that reputation so would never be open about my feelings on trans) and his friends have all started telling him to cut us out etc.

Seems to be a growing encouragement to publically 'call out' the 'abusers' of people who have not affirmed gender identity. It is being discussed on SM.

cf Guardian this weekend:
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/aug/11/letter-to-my-transphobic-aunt

TransplantsArePlants · 13/08/2018 09:17

OP

Massive, massive apologies. I see now that I didn't have the whole picture of why you think your DB is suffering from schizophrenia

silentcrow · 13/08/2018 09:35

We completely ignore it. Lots of 'oh really? that's nice' and 'im glad you're happy' whenever he struck up a conversation about it. Always positive, never judgemental but also never probing and we made sure we had Bright, breezy conversations about other things and lots and lots of positive attention about things other than the trans stuff.

I wondered about that tactic when I first read the thread - take the focus off the thing he's trying to get attention with, and redirects it to positive actions. It's sometimes a good technique for small children. Glad to know it worked for you, Mansplanation.

OP, sending you lots of strength. It does sound like mental health services need to be involved - you're right in thinking there's overlap between drug-induced and illness-related symptoms and it's hard to tease out. I hope you can find appropriate support as soon as possible.

silentcrow · 13/08/2018 09:38

Another thought - does your brother still live at home? Just wondering if you could engineer a "catastrophic internet fail" - sometimes breaking the reinforcement cycle can help; if there's no-one encouraging the escalation it might give him time to think it through.

supportforsister · 13/08/2018 10:31

Thank you for your replies and links- I'm reading as much as I can.

@silentcrow he does live at home but my parents are self employed so rely on internet connection for work; mum tried to cut him off months ago when he started getting aggressive with her as she thought it was weed/video games.

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Coyoacan · 13/08/2018 17:08

I don't see why your family would cut him off specifically for this behaviour, having a paranoid drug-taker in the house sounds much more problematic.

Mansplanation's approach seems to be the best, whatever he decides to do in the end.

R0wantrees · 13/08/2018 17:17

THis recently published book may be useful supportforsister. The opening chapters are writted by Dr Az Hakeem a gender specialist.

Its very accessible and direct and intended for everyone including family and professionals.
there's some open access here:
www.amazon.co.uk/TRANS-Exploring-Gender-Identity-Dysphoria/dp/1911246496?tag=mumsnetforum-21

Coyoacan · 13/08/2018 17:26

Whoa, that letter in the Guardian, how sensitive can you be? My aunts and uncles always criticised me and I couldn't have cared less.

heartsease68 · 13/08/2018 17:28

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Starkstaring · 13/08/2018 17:37

Op you are not a bigot. You can clearly see an unhappy man with social difficulties and substance addiction. If, once those have been resolved, he is happier living as a woman, then so be it.

The challenge and tragedy is that in the current climate, his gender identity is sacrosanct is the only thing that will get attention, and medical practitioners from the GP onwards, no longer dare to challenge it.

I only hope he hasn't got any funds to pay for private intervention - see Dr Harrop thread re GenderGP.

Datun · 13/08/2018 17:47

Whether or not this is genuine for him, you have no business being such a bigot.

You TRAs are going to have to come up with some different words.

Bigot, literal violence, transphobia, and t**f are now, I'm afraid, taking on the same form as some mediaeval chap pointing a quivering, querulous finger and uttering 'blasphemy' in scandalised tones.

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2018 18:21

The truth of it was he had opted out of life. He'd decided his computer and bedroom were safe and the world outside it was too much for him. He had a couple of rejections (one from a job and one from a girl) in a short space of time and it came at a time where he was figuring out who he was, so it felt like the world was rejecting him iyswim. He struggled socially because he'd talk to people the same way he would post on Reddit etc so he came across awkward and weird.

This is eerily familiar.

Unfortunately the story in my family didn't go the same way. They swallowed it whole and didn't think there was any other explanation.

Tbh, though I'm not sure that if my parents had acted differently, it would have stopped him. My brother had been 'prepped' by those around him to expect a certain negative reaction. The ultra defensiveness manifested as aggression and certain questions had been already been framed as being totally off limits, or 'transphobia'.

DH was labelled as transphobic BEFORE we even knew. This put me in an position which effectively was trying to drive a wedge between me and my husband. I didn't take that well. Ultimately that was the straw that broke my back. I was supposed to accept my brother and his partner, but they had rejected my husband. My parents, sided with my brother because he was 'fragile' and excused appalling behaviour by both him and his partner. DH and I literally didn't do or say anything.

My parents tried to keep the peace and stay on side with both of us. That meant pretty much not talking about my brother in my presence.

My Dad was particularly strangely silent. He never has really said much. He once commented that my brother was considering being a teacher and did I think it was a good idea given he was trans. It was clear he had doubts and concerned, but I didn't want to be honest about what I thought about it. It was another opting out of 'real life' to remain in the 'safe' environment of education. DS had already failed one degree and then did another degree - all of which my parents had funded fully. (I'd worked my way through university).

I think in a way, there is very little you can do as a sister. You can try and guide your parents and support them, but you as a sister are almost seen as a threat and 'competition' to them. You are the daughter - and you remind them that they are not.

I felt it was more of a 'cuckoo type' attitude. I was forced out of the family and replaced as the daughter. I can't explain it in other terms.

In the end for all the talk of the trans person being rejected by their family, I felt that it was ultimately me who was.

I tried to be supportive, but the behaviour and the aggression was the problem. It was being told that my childhood memories were 'wrong' and my brothers were the one that were somehow right. It was me who had to do all the compromising and tolerance and none of this was extended to me. I was never given time to absorb it or have any feelings of my own. It was all about my brother needing the attention and being prioritised.

Maybe trans is real. But every time I read stories and compare notes with others in a similar position the same pattern of needing attention, having a certain background, often with a history of bullying thrown in too and having similar interests pops up again and again.

I do think there is a huge cultural thing going on. I think that the denial that people who say they are trans have underlying issues, is a huge part of the problem. The trans thing is an easy way to deflect facing up to these issues which they need to do regardless of their gender identity.

Good luck. You'll have a rocky road whatever happens.

My advice would generally be to know when to stay out of things rather than getting sucked into the drama. You have other priorities. Don't forget that and that YOU matter too.

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2018 18:33

I should add, that NOTHING I did was deemed good enough through it all. This had a dramatic effect on my mental health. I truly believe that no matter what I had done, it would never have been good enough. It was a power dynamic about our parents and our role within the family. I was the daughter; he wanted the 'role' of the daughter. Therefore I didn't fit.

This realisation made a big difference to me in the long run.

numberseven · 13/08/2018 18:44

RedToothBrush, you were the actual woman so the emotional labour was expected from you, not your sibling.

RedToothBrush · 13/08/2018 18:50

There is emotional labour and then there is emotional demand for the 'correct' response. Except nothing I did or could possibly have done would have been good enough nor fulfilled that demand. I was asked to turn on my partner for no reason in order to 'prove' myself and my loyalty.

I could never achieve what was asked of me.

Where is the line where this becomes emotional abuse?

heartsease68 · 13/08/2018 19:28

I think in a way, there is very little you can do as a sister. You can try and guide your parents and support them, but you as a sister are almost seen as a threat and 'competition' to them. You are the daughter - and you remind them that they are not.

Don't be absurd. That was your experience and I'm sorry it was. But there is no reason why it should be everyone else's. Don't breed jealousy and paranoia.

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