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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Magdalen Berns

61 replies

Sweetsongbird1 · 12/08/2018 10:04

linky

Had a chuckle at this this morning

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placemats · 12/08/2018 22:41

Was it less politically correct than these?

LassWiADelicateAir · 15/08/2018 02:11

Not sure what point you are making. Do you expect me to defend either of them?

The Spitting Image one is from 1986- pre the fall of apartheid. It was of its time. Actually her video made me think of it, and that it was of its time and not really for recycling now. If Berns is aware of it then her choice of comedy South African accent is more questionable.

The other one is probably from Q8 , which was early 80s. And it isn't funny.

Noqont · 15/08/2018 22:12

Love this. Particularly the suck my dick. Tells us all we need to know really.

Bespin · 15/08/2018 22:13

I think that she mocks a lot of people and I think. she could make her points without doing that.

RoseTheHatt · 15/08/2018 23:56

Tbf she’d have to be a saint to resist the likes of the eminently mockable Riley Dennis and his ridiculous girlfriend squealing about how, like, they’re just so gaaaay 🙄

LassWiADelicateAir · 16/08/2018 00:10

I hadn't listened all the way through and just noticed that Berns tagged the Spitting Image song on at end. That makes the comedy South African accent a very cheap shot and as far as I'm concerned blows the apologies for it on here out of the water.

If you are going to mount (in my view pretty flimsy) defences of Berns then Meyer's parting shot could be a reference to Moscato's infamous twitter post of the same phrase.

Re Riley Dennis- there is an entire YouTube industry devoted to making fun of Dennis.

MrGHardy · 16/08/2018 00:44

"You can put that spin on it or, as another poster put it it, just came across as a personal insult with a bit of xenophobia thrown in."

If you wanna feel insulted you can always find a way to be insulted.

You said it yourself, you don't like MB. Hence your bias in interpreting this as an insult rather than a parody.

RoseTheHatt · 16/08/2018 07:54

there is an entire YouTube industry devoted to making fun of Dennis

As is only right and proper.

LassWiADelicateAir · 16/08/2018 08:58

If you wanna feel insulted you can always find a way to be insulted

Why would I feel insulted? It's nothing to do with my being insulted.

Berns' use of the mock accent and that song is racist. There may well be plenty of reasons to criticise Meyer but mocking (it is not a parody, it is mocking) her accent and the fact she is South African ("I've never met a nice South African") aren't valid ones.

JellySlice · 16/08/2018 09:49

Then what aspect of the TW would you suggest she use to demonstrate that aping a stereotypical aspect of X doesn't make you X, doesn't entitle you to claim that you are X?

You find her aping offensive. That's the while point!

LassWiADelicateAir · 16/08/2018 13:10

Meyer described herself as a trans woman. Is Berns suggesting trans women should not exist?

JellySlice · 16/08/2018 13:24

No.

Gncq · 16/08/2018 13:27

Good grief.

Gncq · 16/08/2018 13:29

MB does not think that not being a woman means you suddenly stop existing!

Agrona · 17/08/2018 08:00

Interesting. Shouldn't mock people to make a point.

Hmmmm. Maybe Stephen Colbert, Russell Howard, SNL, College Humour etc should stop mocking people because they can make their points without that. Should I send them an email?

Also shouldn't people not send death threats and insults to people they do not agree with because they can make the point without those?

Sweetsongbird1 · 17/08/2018 08:34

If you look hard enough you can always find fault with anything. She isn’t perfect neither is anyone else on this thread.

Still like her vids.

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ZuttZeVootEeVro · 17/08/2018 08:51

Interesting. Shouldn't mock people to make a point.

No, women shouldn't mock people to make a point.

LassWiADelicateAir · 17/08/2018 13:03

Why does she think it is necessary to mock Meyer for being a trans woman? Meyer describes herself as a trans woman.
There's plenty said on here about trans women who make no effort yet here is someone who is making an effort yet is still fair game apparently to mock. The conclusion I get is Berns doesn't like trans people much.

Tagging on the I've never met nice South Afircan song is petty and nasty.

Berns has similar issues with Blaire White- most of her videos about White are similar personal attacks on what White looks or sounds like. Given how critical White is of transactivists, has been the subject of vitrolic attacks by TRAs, has spoken out often about her opposition to transing children and in support of Arielle Scarcella, this leads me to think Berns isn't particularly interested in hearing other opinions.

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 17/08/2018 13:14

Why does she think it is necessary to mock Meyer for being a trans woman?

Why don't you ask Magdalen?

I see her mocking someone who thinks that woman is all about femininity.

Noqont · 17/08/2018 13:15

Why does she think it is necessary to mock Meyer for being a trans woman? Meyer describes herself as a trans woman.

Probably because Meyers is doing the exact same thing to another transwoman.

SisterNotCisTerf · 17/08/2018 13:23

There's plenty said on here about trans women who make no effort yet here is someone who is making an effort yet is still fair game apparently to mock

What do you mean by making an effort?

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 17/08/2018 13:26

I don't pretend to have watched all of Magdalen s videos, but I think her criticism of male transpeople is that they are male people who insist on using women's spaces,not that they don't make an effort.

Sweetsongbird1 · 17/08/2018 13:52

Probably because Meyers is doing the exact same thing to another transwoman

This ^ I think some posters have spectacularly missed the point. I posted this particular vid because she was mocking a trans woman for mocking a trans woman. The whole video is built on the irony (complete piss take) of it. Hmm

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JellySlice · 17/08/2018 13:55

There's plenty said on here about trans women who make no effort yet here is someone who is making an effort yet is still fair game apparently to mock.

I couldn't give a fig for how much 'effort' a trans person makes - it still doesn't change their sex. A transwoman is still an male adult human, no matter how much makeup they wear, how much 'cleavage' they show, how much they simper and pout, how many hormones they've taken or surgeries they've had. I'm sure you know the correct noun for male adult human.

heresyandwitchcraft · 17/08/2018 14:48

I am wading in here because I have actually watched the majority of Bern's videos. I think she is brave, and I am a fan. Magdalen has been calling out bullsh*t on YouTube for ages, and tends to make response videos to things that are either directly or indirectly related to her. I would hate to have her Twitter feed, especially when she started this.

I don't agree with Bern's style all the time, or everything she says, but I will acknowledge that her very presence on YouTube has been a comfort. She explains her position well and frequently makes me laugh. She's not there as a neutral commentator, she doesn't speak as a political representative of any specific group. She is freely speaking her mind in a medium where the culture is that everyone bashes each other all the time. Not even Laci Green, that most innocuous and inclusive of feminists, was safe from being flamed. Why wouldn't it be okay for Magdalen to use humour to get her points across?

The video in discussion is a response to Meyer's video that essentially mocks another trans woman (Muscato). I fail to see how the take-away message is that Magdalen is at fault because she is mocking the idea of Meyer making fun of Muscato in order to make a point about the hypocrisy of the whole thing?

I think Berns did the South African accent because she is making a point about identities and who can opt-in to them. It is similar to the idea referenced when other people draw parallels between trans ideology and trans-racialism. Perhaps the song at the end was a "cheap shot", but I don't think it was racially motivated: they are both white and Berns strikes me as someone who thinks about history/politics when it comes to her opinions of countries as a whole. I saw it more as a reference to South Africa's apartheid past. You might as well call her horrendously xenophobic for her anti-American views, given her videos on the topic.

If we say others (including Blaire White, who doesn't exactly mince her words and has a video called "triggering tr*nnies pt 2" wherein she rips into several trans activists looks) can satirize and use humour to talk about difficult subjects, then women (even gender critical ones) should be allowed to do the same. Berns makes fun of almost everyone. Show me where Magdalen is calling for violence against people or calling individuals subhuman, and I will change my mind on her.

A gentle ribbing to me actually makes me feel like she is treating people like equals, instead of wrapping them in cotton wool.

I think Magdalen is exposed to other views ALL the time, given that she makes so many response videos and has tackled anti-feminists/MGTOWs/MRAs/etc. And she has shown that she is willing to defend those that she has previously made fun of (Arielle Scarcella and Jaclyn Glenn come to mind).